[Moose-dev] Re: can you say to alex that edges are slow?

I can add something like: MOShape>>enableCache MOShape>>disableCache In that case, width: and height: will be computed just once per node. Cheers, Alexandre On 9 Jun 2010, at 16:09, Laval Jannik wrote: > Hi Doru, > > Sure, we will see the computation in blueprint, and make a cache. > Now, the problem is more general: > I have the same problem with eDSM: Some edges and nodes make > computation during rendering, which slow down the visualization. > > So, my question is more general: maybe Mondrian should integrate > the cache system, not each work we do. > > Cheers, > Jannik > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 21:58 , Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi Jannik, >> >> On 9 Jun 2010, at 17:23, Laval Jannik wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Arf, the transmission of the file has probably failed. >>> So, what is done with bluprint: >>> >>> Load Moose in Moose, >>> Take all model packages, generate outgoing blueprint. >>> It is easier like that :) >>> >>> But, there is something that I do not understand: why Mondrian >>> compute all the time. >>> Should not it compute one time and put in cache results ? >>> If it is done in Mondrian, it will be more compatible with all >>> things that we can do ? >> >> I am not saying that Mondrian is doing that, I am saying that >> if we want to debug the problem we want to isolate the case :). >> That is why, if we just want to see how slow/fast the rendering >> is, we want as less extra computation as possible in the >> benchmark. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >>> Cheers, >>> Jannik >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 17:06 , Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jannik, >>>> >>>> Something seems to be wrong with the zip file because the >>>> decompression fails. >>>> >>>> If you want to try just the perfromance, please just create a >>>> new script that explicitly creates the nodes and edges and >>>> sets the size and color of shapes. It could be that the >>>> computation is problematic, or it could be that Mondrian >>>> calls this computation too many times. Using such a script >>>> allows us to get an idea of where the problem is. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9 Jun 2010, at 16:23, Laval Jannik wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok, I understand. >>>>> >>>>> So the perfect thing is to compute all metrics before the >>>>> script, or use a moose cache. >>>>> I think that blueprint use cook, with a cache. >>>>> >>>>> You can fing t image here: >>>>> http://jannik-laval.eu/assets/files/blueprint.zip >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Jannik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 16:08 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, we will do this. >>>>>>> Now, I do not understand the relation between metrics >>>>>>> (which is computed before visualization) and scrolling the >>>>>>> canvas. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does Mondrian compute something when we scroll ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mondrian itself no. But it evaluates the block you provide >>>>>> when defining shape (e.g., height: and width:) each time a >>>>>> refresh is done. Which occurs when you scroll. >>>>>> I would like to verify if the metrics you use are really >>>>>> computed just once. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Jannik >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 15:46 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It absolutely possible that I missed opportunities for >>>>>>>> optimization. But I would like to be sure that the >>>>>>>> metrics you use are not responsible for the slowness. Can >>>>>>>> you produce a complete sequence on how I can reproduce >>>>>>>> the problem, starting from a Moose one-click image? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9 Jun 2010, at 09:41, Laval Jannik wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just see Package Blueprint working on Pharo1.1 >>>>>>>>> Jean Remi shows a case study : >>>>>>>>> It is a visualization of 50 packages (so, not a lot), it >>>>>>>>> is clearly difficult to scroll. >>>>>>>>> This is not an edges problem, I do not know if this >>>>>>>>> problem comes from Mondrian or Morphic... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But for sure, it is not attractive. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mondrian exists to generate faster visualization by >>>>>>>>> scripting. >>>>>>>>> If the visualization is not scrollable, and not usable >>>>>>>>> with modern computers as we have, do you think Mondrian >>>>>>>>> is useful ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The problem is here: We write one time the script, we >>>>>>>>> generate frequently visualization. >>>>>>>>> Users prefer a fast visualization than a fast scripting >>>>>>>>> language. >>>>>>>>> The perfect is to have the two. And I think that >>>>>>>>> Mondrian can do this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe we should do work on it (an engineer ?). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my reflexion >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Jannik >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 14:24 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I already tried with a complex case. Indeed it is a >>>>>>>>>>> lot faster than before, thank you :D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is what I would expect. There was a bug introduced >>>>>>>>>> with the zOrder. >>>>>>>>>> You should have similar speed up on pharo 1.0. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The #5 is a treeLayout (with less edges) and on it I >>>>>>>>>>> couldn't move the scrollbar.. got stuck for minutes. I >>>>>>>>>>> tried again, and I had the same problem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that the problem comes from Mondrian? You >>>>>>>>>> can use Kai, the profiler I worked on to easily see >>>>>>>>>> where the problem comes from. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> KaiProfiler viewProfiling: [ "your code here" ] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> www.squeaksource.com/Spy.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Will check if i am doing something different for that >>>>>>>>>>> visualization (thought is the simplest one), and will >>>>>>>>>>> let you know. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Veronica >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 08 Jun 2010, at 14:46, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Veronica (and Jannik), >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The problem should now be fixed. The last version of >>>>>>>>>>>> Mondrian is 3 times faster when displaying inner >>>>>>>>>>>> nodes and edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> Does it solve your problem? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 Jun 2010, at 05:27, Veronica Isabel Uquillas >>>>>>>>>>>> Gomez wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexandre, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Inspecting visualizations when many edges are >>>>>>>>>>>>> present is really a problem... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any improvement with respect to this problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Veronica >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Apr 2010, at 22:53, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok. I have a set of benchmarks that noticed a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> slowdown. I hope this will be addressed soon (a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> student is currently working on it). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Apr 2010, at 07:59, Laval Jannik wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The script make a while and crash the image. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 23:07 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik, can you try to generate a DSM with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version Mondrian-Alexandre_Bergel.355.mcz and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell me whether it is faster or not ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess Veronica can not do it since dashed lines >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did not exist in 355. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 15:41, Laval Jannik wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the same for me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With an eDSM, it is really difficult to scroll. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I already make some reports of this problem... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I am not sure it is caused by edges. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 21:31 , Veronica Isabel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uquillas Gomez wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexandre, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when my visualizations have many elements in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general is slow, but sometimes is impossible >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or takes more than 1 min) to move the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrollbar or switch to other windows... I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the edges are causing this problem, but i am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will send you an example of this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Veronica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 20:09, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are edges slower than before? I recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticed a slowdown, but it is not that apparent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many edges are intended to be defined? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 13:41, stephane ducasse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you do not tell him, he will never notice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First Rule: give feedback! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: 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