19 Feb
2013
19 Feb
'13
2:27 p.m.
On 02/19/2013 09:51 AM, Haroldo Stenger wrote:
Hi Nicolas,
Thank you very much for your kind welcome. Although it should be very
easy, I'm still not sure how to get the moose image (I downloaded it)
into pharo.
should something like:
$ pharo moose.image
... work? Or:
$ pharo -vm moose.image
... ?
I can't find pharo's command line options, although I read the faq and
googled a lot. How do I tell it to load the image?
Then, how can I 'test' that effectively moose elements are available
and ready to be run?
OK,
it all depends on your favorite OS.
I work on Linux, so I took the pharo-whatever.sh shell script that comes
with the One-click distribution of pharo, and changed it a bit to accept
an image as argument.
Then it calls the pharo vm with on the image with the appropriate
arguments (on linux there are several of them).
I also configured my linux so that it calls automatically this script
when I double-click on a .image file. (its basically MIME stuff)
For MacOS, I am not too sure how you can do it, but I guess if you
replace the default pharo image from the one-click distribution with the
moose image, you should not be too far from the solution.
May be you need to rename the moose image to give it the same name as
the old pharo image ...
For windows, I never tried, but I suspect it cannot be much more difficult.
There is also a .bat command file in the pharo-one-click distribution
and you can probably edit it to run with the moose image.
cheers
nicolas
From within pharo, I can't find any 'load
image' option.
My interest in moose is great. I'm a 25+ years systems programmer, and
I have systems written in various languages. I'm sick of duplicated
code. I'm tired of lost code because I have to switch the programming
language of choice for whatever reason. I want to get real code
reengineering into my set of tools, and I came across moose, which as
far as I could find out, offers a lot of metrics tools, and also code
abstraction, provided you have the proper parsers for your language,
and re-write tools in order to really use old but perfectly valid code
(which of course can be improved, but starting from a non-nil starting
point, or having to reprogram things by hand).
I'm doing some of my codebase parsing in python, for convinience
reasons, but I can write the same in smalltalk and MSE if I found out
that correctly.
I've seen that not many people know here about moose, and except a man
in my Linux User Group years ago, I've never seen anyone really into
smalltak, nor in my university whatsoever. I get annoyed at the lack
of attention that things like moose get in my ecosystem/country/zone.
So, that's why I'm trying to get ahead and try something new and
thoughtful. I'll report back as long as I can 'moose' my codebase and
transform it into new languages, which why not, one of them could be
smalltalk. I've been in many many different languages before, as you
might guess. Maybe the most similar thing to smalltalk that I've seen
is common lisp, because of it being a standard, and a live system with
a REPL, and with the CLOS. But I've seen nothing like moose in the
common lisp world.
The software systems that I've wrote for a living, are small-business
operations-support, mainly for drugstores/pharmacies in Uruguay. Other
systems add up, like CV analysis tools for recruiting, etc.
hope that conveys pretty much a part of me and my work.
best wishes
Haroldo
2013/2/19 Nicolas Anquetil <Nicolas.Anquetil(a)inria.fr
<mailto:Nicolas.Anquetil@inria.fr>>
Hi Haroldo,
welcome to the mailling list and the Moose world.
The simplest way to get Moose would be to download it pre-loaded
in an image.
You can do this from http://www.moosetechnology.org/, there is a
button to get the latest image.
I you feel like it, later, you could drop a note to say what you
were looking for moose in the first place and how you feel about it.
It's always nice to have impressions from new members
thanks, cheers.
nicolas
On 02/19/2013 07:07 AM, Haroldo Stenger wrote:
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Nicolas Anquetil -- RMod research team (Inria)
hi!
I'm totally new to smalltalk, although I've heard of it since a
lot of time ago.
In my arch linux installation, I've found some dificulties
running squeak, so I went into pharo once I've discovered they
are two free implementations of smalltalk.
Then I wondered myself, How can I do now to put moose into here ?
And then I saw that by selecting the proper text in one of the
default windows that pharo opens for me, I could have moose (and
other subsystems) installed in the image I'm workin on. So I did.
I've found myself pretty impressed at the ease by which the
subsystems get installed. I started installing one of the web
development systems, and I got thru the whole automated process
without any problems.
Then I evaluated the code that installs moose. It started
running, and run a lot without a problem too. But at some point,
some missing methods poped up a window in which I'm asked what to
do. At the firsts of them, I put 'proceed' (because I wouldn't
abandon, nor debug because I woudn't know what to do), and it
proceeded. At some later pop up errors, I was offered a fourth
option namely 'create', I did, and put the method I was asked to
put somewhere in systembase or some similar name (I can be more
precise if needed or asked to), then a code that showed a 'to be
implemented' dummy method or something, and then again, asked to
proceed, and and did this process a number of times, until I
realized that there were many of them, and I abadoned. And went
here, asking for some kind help of you.
I could insist with squeak if that would do better, or go Cuis
alternatively (but from what I've read, maybe Cuis would not fit).
I've also read that pharo support from moose is in some
development phase. Is that true? So if I'm a beginner I should
try it until it's ready.
I'm interested in moose mainly, and derived from this, in
smalltalk and in any of its free versions if they work.
Any hint is welcome.
cheers
Haroldo
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