[Moose-dev] Re: OverviewPyramid smalltalk thresholds?

Hi Doru, Thank you for your answer... It's too bad we don't have these figures... What do you say about creating a list of projects that could be used to create such a baseline. I don't really have a precise idea about the number of projects that we might need to compute this thing ... but I think starting such a list might be a good idea. And then based on that we can eventually try to get the results. In the Book: Object-oriented Metrics in Practice the authors used 45 java and 37 c++ systems to get these numbers ... so I think we have to find at least 30 projects maybe. I am not promising anything but maybe I will find some time over the next few weeks that I can dedicate to doing this. What do you guys say? On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: Hi, We do not have those thresholds for Smalltalk, yet. It would be interesting to get them, though. We only need someone to do it :) Cheers, Doru On 24 Oct 2011, at 22:03, Ciprian Teodorov wrote: > Thanks for your prompt answer. > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > No idea about the threshold. I find system complexity and class blueprint quite useful to get a first impression of a system. I then usually visualize the dependencies. > If I really want to understand the system, then writing unit tests will do the thing. > > I completely agree with you on these points... > but from my point of view I think that the overviewpyramid can be a very good visualisation > to quickly present your system's complexity to others... especially during a presentation... > and then you can freely dive into more detailed aspect with the system complexity and > class blueprint - to show specific points. However, without a statistically significant smalltalk baseline (the threshold) > the pyramid doesn't convey much information especially to an external viewer... > > so my point is, since we have the java and c++ cases, why not get some smalltalk (or maybe pharo-specific) > numbers also - especially since Moose is implemented in smalltalk. > > regards, > ciprian > > Alexandre > > > On 24 Oct 2011, at 16:06, Ciprian Teodorov wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm new to using moose for analyzing a rather large smalltalk project developed during the last 16-17 years. >> I hope that using Moose framework will give positive insights on the hot-spots of the system in order to improve its structure, and make it more maintainable. >> The project name is Madeo (http://stiff.univ-brest.fr/BINIOU/MADEO) a FPGA design-automation toolkit developed mainly by one of my PhD supervisors (Loic Lagadec). >> >> To start the evaluation I believe that the overview pyramid is a very good starting point in order to get a generic idea about the system. >> However, I was not able to find any smalltalk threshold values in the moose image. >> >> So my question is if there is somebody having some idea about the >> smalltalk threshold values for the OverviewPyramid. >> >> If yes, could you provide me these figures, and eventually point me to a scientific paper presenting these results. >> If not, I'm willing to try to get these figures myself... however I don't really know which smalltalk projects I could use to get good results. >> >> Thank you very much for your attention. >> >> Best wishes, >> -- >> PhDc Ciprian TEODOROV >> Lab-STICC/AS CNRS UMR 3192 >> University of Brest >> >> phone: (+33)(0) 6 08 54 73 48 >> mail: ciprian.teodorov(a)univ-brest.fr >> www.teodorov.ro >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > PhDc Ciprian TEODOROV > Lab-STICC/AS CNRS UMR 3192 > University of Brest > > phone: (+33)(0) 6 08 54 73 48 > mail: ciprian.teodorov(a)univ-brest.fr > www.teodorov.ro > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- PhDc Ciprian TEODOROV Lab-STICC/AS CNRS UMR 3192 University of Brest phone: (+33)(0) 6 08 54 73 48 mail: ciprian.teodorov(a)univ-brest.fr www.teodorov.ro _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev