[Moose-dev] Re: roassal + athens

I added an experimental baseline to show how we can load Athens on demand only (see below). I committed it to ConfigurationOfRoassal without modifying any symbolic version. To load as before, you just load the default: (self project version: '0.6-baseline') load To load with Athens, you do: (self project version: '0.6-baseline') load: 'WithAthens' I think this should address your concerns. But, as Stef pointed out, Athens should work with Balloon, too. Thus, RoassalMorphic could just work with that the Balloon backend quite nicely. What do you say?

baseline16: spec <version: '0.6-baseline'> spec for: #'common' do: [ spec blessing: #'baseline'. spec description: ''. spec author: 'TudorGirba'. spec timestamp: '4/11/2013 22:03'. spec repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/ObjectProfile/Roassal/main'. spec package: 'Roassal'; package: 'RoassalMorphic' with: [ spec requires: 'Roassal' ]; package: 'RoassalAthens' with: [ spec requires: #('RoassalMorphic' 'Athens') ]. spec project: 'Athens' with: [ spec className: 'ConfigurationOfAthens'; file: 'ConfigurationOfAthens'; version: '2.0'; repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Athens' ]. spec group: 'default' with: #('Roassal' 'RoassalMorphic'); group: 'Tests' with: #('Roassal' 'RoassalMorphic'); group: 'WithAthens' with: #('RoassalAthens')]. Cheers, Doru On Apr 11, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; wrote: >> If I understand correctly, if we would get ConfigurationOfRoassal to load Athens only in Pharo 2.0, you would be satisfied, right? > > No, because if I download the Pharo from http://www.pharo-project.org/home (by clicking on the download button), install Roassal, then errors will show up, and this is what I want to avoid above everything else. > I am a fierce advertiser of Athens. Thanks to Igor tutorial, my developing environment is Athens-based. I would like to see Athens widely used, yes. > > However, if I go a step further, such as making Roassal depends on Athens, then we will have to deal with: > - students who simply clicked on the download webpage and see bugs appearing because the lib are not installed > - telling where to download and how to install Igor's VM > - telling the world how to install the free type fonts else Roassal will lamentably crash > - have to test myself cairo on Ubuntu > - fiddling ConfigurationOfRoassal to make it sure it works with 1.4 and trying to not get nervous because I will surely won't be able to save Roassal using Versionner anymore. > - Answering complains that loading Roassal takes too much time > > Alexandre > >> >> This should be pretty fast, too. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; wrote: >>> I do not understand the problem. >>> Athens loads perfectly and all the VM are working. >>> >>> Now if you prefer to wait for about a year, it simply means that you do not need vector graphics. >> >> Roassal needs to be loadable in a 1.4 image. >> >> Alexandre >> >>> >>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Tudor Girba &lt;tudor(a)tudorgirba.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I do not quite understand your worries. >>>> >>>> Athens-Cairo has two parts: >>>> - the VM side: the plugin is already nicely bundled with the Pharo VM on all operating systems. >>>> - the image side: the Athens canvas and Cairo binding are essentially working, but were not yet added to Pharo 2.0 because it was not tested enough at the time of the release. >>>> >>>> To me, the largest problem is on the VM-side, and that was nicely solved. The image-side is solid already and will get into Pharo 3.0. But, in the meantime, I do not want to wait for another year until we can start to benefit from the nice capabilities of Athens. >>>> >>>> Can you be more explicit as to why we should not make this default in Pharo Morphic? >>>> >>>> Btw, it is not enough to just load Athens. Here is what I reverse engineered: >>>> Gofer new >>>> squeaksource: 'Athens'; >>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfAthens'; >>>> load. >>>> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfAthens) loadVersion: '2.0'. >>>> Gofer new >>>> smalltalkhubUser: 'ObjectProfile' project: 'Roassal'; >>>> package: 'RoassalAthens'; >>>> load. >>>> ROPlatform setCurrent: 'athens'. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Alexandre Bergel &lt;alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I would like to start adopting Athens behind Roassal. I believe there already is a binding. The question is what keeps us from adding Athens as a dependency to RoassalMorphic? >>>>> >>>>> Well... The way I see this is slightly different. Athens should be part of the runtime (i.e., included in Pharo) and not use as a library. I am not sure what we will gain to consider Athens as a separate Library. >>>>> >>>>> The Roassal<-->Athens bindings works well I think. We haven't spotted any problem. Just load Athens before loading Moose while Athens is not part of Pharo. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at them." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at them." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev