28 Mar
2014
28 Mar
'14
9:28 p.m.
On 28 Mar 2014, at 21:25, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote:
Doru for the debugger may be you should have a version
with text and icons.
Text is nice because I do not have to learn them by hearth I just read.
I second
that :). (or Stef seconded my stuff )
Uko
Stef
On 28 Mar 2014, at 15:48, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Thanks, Yuriy. We need to invent these tools
dramatically. This is a huge opportunity both for Pharo and for Moose. The road will not
be smooth all the time, but I think that the most difficult things are now a thing of the
past.
Doru
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
On 28 Mar 2014, at 15:17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
I’m not used to a gt debugger. Debugging buttons have icons that are not easily
understandable, they are located fa from another things that i access.
What do you mean by being far from what you access?
At the moment it’s hard to say. Las time I just notices that it took me more time to use
debugger buttons
Also I like the idea that you don’t have to spawn a new inspector when drilling down, but
I like to have a small workspace to test out something and close rather than big window of
gt-playground.
Playground should behave like the Workspace, too. What prevents you from having small
playgrounds open without previewing?
The thing is that I was using Moose itself about a year ago. After that I was working
only in Pharo. Now when I needed to do something in Moose fast, I found myself in the
middle of dark technology :).
That is because you are not using the white theme :)
I really don’t think that my issue is something serious, but it’s a religious point of
view, that if user wants to use Moose he shouldn’t be forced to become a beta-tester of
gt-toolkit and so on.
Careful ... you are touching a sensitive coord ... GT is not a beta thing :)). Seriously,
Moose will focus on a full experience. You can still choose to setup your image the way
you want, but Moose will be a full image covering the entire development cycle.
Makes sense. It was just disturbing when I wanted to do something fast and everything was
different. Well, ok let’s try to understand the whole philosophy more and then I can talk
in a more confident way.
I dislike belief-driven-policies because they prevent learning. If you do not say what
the issue is, it is hard to get it addressed. It can cost a bit of effort at times, but
overall everyone benefits.
Cheers,
Doru
Uko
On 28 Mar 2014, at 14:45, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
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Please let's get concrete because only like that we can improve and learn from each
other. Up to now, you listed:
- Autocompletion being turned off - I agree that this should be on, but as it is now it
is a bit buggy - I did not yet raise my voice loudly because I did not have a chance of
looking into it in more details.
- White theme
What other things don't you like and why?
Doru
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
It works. Just that I prefer it the other way around. I get suggestions disabled I can
enable them, but it takes some time. I get a white theme, I can switch to original one,
but it takes time. And so on. Also when I try to introduce someone who knows Pharo to
Moose I have also to introduce him to whole new tools.
I'm not insisting on keeping it there, this is just a thing that saves time because
Moose is loaded by CI
Uko
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On 28 Mar 2014, at 13:38, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
> Apparently, it contains the code without having the Moose image setup being
triggered.
>
> @Yuriy: Could you let us know what exactly does not work for you?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
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> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>
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> What Moose-less contains then?
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> Alexandre
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> On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
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> > Hi guys.
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> > I’ve created a “Moose-less” version
https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-5.0/1006/artifact/moose-5.0-less.zip because some
people (including me of course) don’t want to have all IDE revamped to use the features of
Moose. It’s created during a main Mosse build as it’s already there anyway. But if you
don’t like it, I can move it to somewhere else.
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