Moose-dev December 2009

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issue tracker
by Tudor Girba 04 Dec '09

04 Dec '09

Hi, I would kindly ask you to place an entry in the issue tracker before you start working on something (even if it's not a bug): http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/list Also, when you add an issue, please make sure to tag it at least with the Component that is affected by it. If you want to work on it, also assign it to yourself. This has the benefit of communicating your intention around and synchronize with the rest of us. If you want to be up to date with the changes in the issue tracker, you can subscribe to the RSS feed: http://code.google.com/feeds/p/moose-technology/issueupdates/basic Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Beauty is where we see it."

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Re: [Fame-dev] Re: Changes in Fame
by Adrian Kuhn 04 Dec '09

04 Dec '09

If there are not dependencies back to Moose, having the filter in Fame is genau the right place. --AA On Dec 3, 2009, at 11:49 , Cyrille Delaunay wrote: > Ok. But the class 'ParseClientFilter' is not FAMIX-specific and I > thougth it would maybe be usefull for fame. If it's not, I can move > it into a moose package :) > > 2009/12/3 stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)gmail.com> > but cyrille > > FAMIX stuff should not polute Fame > so you should extend (subclass) in moose pckage and hope that FAME > will take your extension into account. > > Stef > On Dec 3, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Cyrille Delaunay wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I just save some changes on the Fame squeaksource repository: > > > > - Implement a 'ParseClientFilter' that enable to parse and import > mse filtering some elements. This is use in Moose to specify the > FAMIX elements (FAMIX.Class, FAMIX.Method, ...) you want to import > in a MooseModel from a MSE File (This is already available by > selecting 'import from MSE' in the MoosePanel). > > > > - Two Lint rules in Fame-Util about the Moose issue 143 > > -> checking if a FM3 class respect the fame name convention > between FM3 and Smalltalk > > -> checking if the superclass defined in a FM3MetaDescription > t exist and is well defined. > > > > > > > > >

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mse import wizard
by Tudor Girba 04 Dec '09

04 Dec '09

Hi Cyrille, The MSE Import Wizard is a good step forward, but it has a problem: The entity types are hardcoded. This is a big problem because we should be able to load any entity. It would be better if that list would be gathered from the types from MooseModel meta. ImportingContext should not be hardcoded either, but it should be computed from the same repository by traversing the properties. For example, in FAMIXMethod>>parentType says that FAMIXClass is required for FAMIXMethod. In the same time, FAMIXMethod is not required for a FAMIXClass because the property FAMIXClass>>methods isDerived. Basically in this way, we should be able to create the graph dynamically and thus we can use the mechanisms for any meta-model. What do you think? In the meantime I restored the previous implementation as a temporary solution, because now we have PrimitiveType that should also be loadable. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."

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inFusion 7.2.6
by Tudor Girba 04 Dec '09

04 Dec '09

Hi, inFusion 7.2.6 was just released: http://www.intooitus.com/infusion/download/inFusion.zip With it, we now have export of PrimitiveType and of declaredType for Method, Function and all variables. Also the access modifiers are now correct. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "No matter how many recipes we know, we still value a chef."

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About Metacello and the Moose process
by Simon Denier 03 Dec '09

03 Dec '09

Unfortunately, there have been too many threads this morning *About Metacello* Well Metacello is still in beta, so good news is that we can make it better. Problem is that it can do a lot of things about which we (I) dont a clear picture for now, it requires some usage and conventions, and myself I'm still quite unsure about how Metacello manages nested configuration (for example right now, when I perform a ConfigurationOfMoose updateDefault, it does not update the nested configurations. I am not sure but I think it should) Suggestions: 1) have better names loadLast -> loadDevVersion or loadVeryLast loadLatest -> loadStableVersion or loadLastStable (those 2 are really annoying) Also the names in the OB commands could be better and reflect the current conventions: Save project -> save configuration update project -> update configuration Update Package Methods -> update current version??? Now, when I do a "Current Project Version" on any ConfigurationOf, it does not work except for the one with Metacello. I dont know, maybe the configurations do not respect some rules? It's annoying because it breaks the above tools. 2) refactor the documentation When I started with Metacello 3 months ago it was easy because there was one recent post describing the things. Now three months later this is a problem because things have changed a lot but this post is still the first hit in google "metacello" http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/metacello-package-management-f… Now if you try to follow links there is this post and then this post http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/a-shiny-new-api-for-metacello/ http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/metacello-1-0-beta-14-released/ Finally it appears that http://code.google.com/p/metacello/w/list is now the source for documentation. There is the API reference for declaration, description of OBCommands,... Unfortunately it lacks something about how to play with last/latest versions with the API. - if I go to the tutorial, it just refers to the embedded tutorial in the code and I dont want to load the tutorial each time I need some documentation So please Dale, can you put a few items about things such as ConfigurationOfXXX project lastVersion, how to manipulate groups, things discussed with Lukas? 3) Good tool for managing configuration, saving projects... There is a small browser in GLMSmalltalkExamples>>metacelloBrowser, maybe somebody can start to enhance it to display version and perform commands. *About the Moose process* I dont think the Pharo process and the Moose process compare. The Pharo process is about integrating fixes from packages which are supposed to do one and only one thing, and do it well and is tested. The Moose process is about developers making incremental changes to the code base so that they can work and share it immediately. Which means it can break other things. Now I'm pretty sure I dont want a release every time someone commits a package in Moose, because I'm pretty sure this someone didn't run all the tests before committing. So making a release for each new commit makes no sense for me. We dont integrate changes, we just merge when there are some divergent branches. That's why we are always working with the dev version and the 'default' is one way to do it. If we want historical data about Moose, I guess it's still possible to retrieve all latest packages at a given date. It will not be very different from what we used at this date. Now about the *release* process for Moose: sure I would like that there will be more releases. Now as Doru said, when we do a release, we should do it for every sub projects and it's bit difficult with the current tools. - One way to do automatically it is to use the test server to at least create a new version from the latest dev version and blessed it as 'tested' if 100% tests passed or 'broken' But I dont want such versions to pollute the manual versions, which are supposed to be stronger. So something like create automatically 'testedVersionXXX' with tests or broken as possible blessing. - Then we can do manual release from time to time (every two weeks, every months?), which requires more work as we have to do it for the different subprojects first, and blessed it as beta or stable. BTW, why is the beta version in Moose marked as 'baseline'? It does not make sense. It should be beta or stable. -- Simon

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faster stream
by Stéphane Ducasse 03 Dec '09

03 Dec '09

hi guys Apparently nicolas cellier is implementing faster stream so this would probably help moose loading huge models. Nicolas could you let us know when you have a version that we can try. We could come up with real bench on really large files. Cyrille it could be really worth that you have a look. There is a thread on squeak-dev Stef

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Re: About Metacello and the Moose process
by Dale Henrichs 03 Dec '09

03 Dec '09

----- "Simon Denier" <Simon.Denier(a)inria.fr> wrote: | Unfortunately, there have been too many threads this morning | | *About Metacello* | | Suggestions: | 1) have better names | loadLast -> loadDevVersion or loadVeryLast | loadLatest -> loadStableVersion or loadLastStable | (those 2 are really annoying) | | Also the names in the OB commands could be better and reflect the | current conventions: | Save project -> save configuration | update project -> update configuration | Update Package Methods -> update current version??? Yeah, I have sucked in creating names for things ... and the terminology has evolved. Frankly, at the moment I am caught in between two points, where I'm not sure that the new names are really really better and the desire to avoid changing the tool labels too frequently ... You are raising good points, so I will be interested in what other people think in terms of naming suggestions ... I have holiday time coming as well (today and tomorrow are "vacation" days), so I will spend some time thinking about names... | | Now, when I do a "Current Project Version" on any ConfigurationOf, it | does not work except for the one with Metacello. I dont know, maybe | the configurations do not respect some rules? It's annoying because it | breaks the above tools. I am very interested in these problems ... a pointer to the ConfigurationOf package that is causing the problem would allow me to fix the problem. In the recent releases of Metacello I have fixed the problems that I've seen and am interested in getting the issues shaken out. | | | 2) refactor the documentation | When I started with Metacello 3 months ago it was easy because there | was one recent post describing the things. Now three months later this | is a problem because things have changed a lot but this post is still | the first hit in google "metacello" | http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/metacello-package-management-f… | | Now if you try to follow links there is this post and then this post | http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/a-shiny-new-api-for-metacello/ | http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/metacello-1-0-beta-14-released/ | | Finally it appears that | http://code.google.com/p/metacello/w/list | is now the source for documentation. | | There is the API reference for declaration, description of OBCommands,... | Unfortunately it lacks something about how to play with last/latest | versions with the API. | - if I go to the tutorial, it just refers to the embedded tutorial in | the code and I dont want to load the tutorial each time I need some | documentation | | So please Dale, can you put a few items about things such as | ConfigurationOfXXX project lastVersion, how to manipulate groups, | things discussed with Lukas? Excellent points ... I will take a crack at cleaning up the documentation. | | 3) Good tool for managing configuration, saving projects... | There is a small browser in GLMSmalltalkExamples>>metacelloBrowser, | maybe somebody can start to enhance it to display version and perform | commands. | | | *About the Moose process* | I dont think the Pharo process and the Moose process compare. | | The Pharo process is about integrating fixes from packages which are | | supposed to do one and only one thing, and do it well and is tested. | | The Moose process is about developers making incremental changes to | the code base so that they can work and share it immediately. Which | means it can break other things. | Now I'm pretty sure I dont want a release every time someone commits a | | package in Moose, because I'm pretty sure this someone didn't run all | | the tests before committing. So making a release for each new commit | makes no sense for me. We dont integrate changes, we just merge when | there are some divergent branches. That's why we are always working | with the dev version and the 'default' is one way to do it. | | If we want historical data about Moose, I guess it's still possible to | retrieve all latest packages at a given date. It will not be very | different from what we used at this date. | | Now about the *release* process for Moose: sure I would like that | there will be more releases. Now as Doru said, when we do a release, | we should do it for every sub projects and it's bit difficult with the | current tools. | - One way to do automatically it is to use the test server to at least | create a new version from the latest dev version and blessed it as | 'tested' if 100% tests passed or 'broken' | But I dont want such versions to pollute the manual versions, which | are supposed to be stronger. So something like create automatically | 'testedVersionXXX' with tests or broken as possible blessing. | - Then we can do manual release from time to time (every two weeks, | every months?), which requires more work as we have to do it for the | different subprojects first, and blessed it as beta or stable. Metacello does have the notion of a #development version. #development means that the specification of the version is in flux and may change over time ... It sounds like you'd want to use the #development version for the 100% tested versions, then when you are ready to snap off a real version, you'd mark all of the development versions as beta or stable or whatever (for all the contricuting projects) and then open a new #development version. BTW when I say development version I mean something like: version '1.1' with a #development blessing. Dale

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how to we produce new version of moose
by Stéphane Ducasse 03 Dec '09

03 Dec '09

Hi I ***REALLLY*** want that we are able to use moose for future code analysis so I want to be able to script and reload version of moose. So now if I modify something in moose how do I create a new version in ConfigurationOfMoose? Stef

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duplication between default: and version40beta2:?
by Stéphane Ducasse 03 Dec '09

03 Dec '09

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please make sur that configuration are up to date.
by Stéphane Ducasse 03 Dec '09

03 Dec '09

for example ConfigurationOfCAnalyzer was not.

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