Hi! The Moose image offers much more than offering moose. For example, I have a postdoc working on Astronomy images and she is using the moose image not because of moose, but because of what is shipped with it. Does something who is not interested in analyzing software may find the moose image useful? The answer is absolutely yes. What about changing the name of the Moose image into something closer to what it really offer? Maybe Pharo4Modelling ? PharoModellingEdition? I think this discussion is important. Cheers, Alexandre

remember that Moose is a "data Analysis platform" it is not only for software, so yes somebody not working with software can use it.

I have no particular objection to change the name except that changing name means you restart from scratch and have to re-explain to people what it is ... nicolas On 13/03/2014 13:46, Alexandre Bergel wrote: _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

software, so yes somebody not working with software can use it. I know, but actually, I am finding myself using the moose image essentially for GTInspector and Playground. Much more than moose itself. The Moose image is offering something else in addition to Moose, and I think we should embrace this better. Alexandre name means you restart from scratch and have to re-explain to people what it is ... have a postdoc working on Astronomy images and she is using the moose image not because of moose, but because of what is shipped with it. moose image useful? The answer is absolutely yes. to what it really offer? -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

I agree with what Alex said. I came to Moose originally just because I knew it had Roassal, Glamour & Magritte working together in the same image. I later discovered FAMIX stuff kind-of related to what I was doing, but I was unable to work out how to use it for my needs and had plenty else to focus on for my dissertation. I think you do not _need_ to change the name. If you want to reposition your marketing of Moose to push that Moose now does more than before, you just need to update the home page, where currently "humane assessment" takes prime spot. Humane Assessment has its own very nice web site so perhaps a smaller presence linking to that would be acceptable. To reposition Moose, you could make things more explicit by splitting "Moose is a platform for software and data analysis" into... * Moose is for modeling * Moose is for data visualization * Moose is for software re-engineering or some other combination of three-things taking up the predominant space on the web page. However if you wanted to align more with Pharo, then PharoModelling seems reasonable. cheers -ben Tudor Girba wrote: _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

I just see it that way: there is a traction behind Pharo and Moose does not seem to benefit from it. People who enter the Pharo community by using Pharo directly rarely look at Moose, which is understandable I think. You can see this by the effort being carried on the inspector and the explorer. Having a name such as 'Pharo4Modelling' or 'PharoOnModels' would implicitly conveys a more powerful Pharo. Where the word 'Moose' tells this is something different. Anyway, this is just a meta-thought. Alexandre On Mar 14, 2014, at 6:05 AM, Diego Lont &lt;diego.lont(a)delware.nl&gt; wrote: be more focus on the other features of Moose: that it is also applicable outside the software analysis. intended as a tool, that needs some programming to work for your needs. That most of us use this as our development platform, as we like to analyse our own software is secondary. knew it had Roassal, Glamour & Magritte working together in the same image. I later discovered FAMIX stuff kind-of related to what I was doing, but I was unable to work out how to use it for my needs and had plenty else to focus on for my dissertation. I think you do not _need_ to change the name. If you want to reposition your marketing of Moose to push that Moose now does more than before, you just need to update the home page, where currently "humane assessment" takes prime spot. Humane Assessment has its own very nice web site so perhaps a smaller presence linking to that would be acceptable. "Moose is a platform for software and data analysis" into... space on the web page. seems reasonable. FAMIX is there only for convenience for some use cases. we reinvent programming. I said a year ago that Moose will become the IDE. And we are almost there. We still need a couple of extra tools like a Coder, but we can already affect development significantly with the debugger, inspector and playground. a reality :). it in the gtoolkit image: https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/gtoolkit/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/gtoolki… >>> Doru >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre.bergel(a)me.com&gt; wrote: software, so yes somebody not working with software can use it. >>> I know, but actually, I am finding myself using the moose image essentially for GTInspector and Playground. Much more than moose itself. The Moose image is offering something else in addition to Moose, and I think we should embrace this better. >>> Alexandre >>> > >>> > I have no particular objection to change the name except that changing name means you restart from scratch and have to re-explain to people what it is ... I have a postdoc working on Astronomy images and she is using the moose image not because of moose, but because of what is shipped with it. the moose image useful? The answer is absolutely yes. closer to what it really offer? -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev