12 Apr
2018
12 Apr
'18
12:09 p.m.
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code, written in C#. Is
there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how extensive/solid is it?
TIA
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16 Apr
16 Apr
9:59 a.m.
Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply.
I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was working in
Inria.
This parser was based on Mono project and a library Mono.Cecil that
provides API to access MSIL.
The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic information required to
create FAMIX model (Classes, Namespaces, methods, attributes, invocations,
accesses, params).
I think it might also have started to extract Generics but that part might
not be complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX for C# but used a library to
transform FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE import/export from
existing code.
But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But if you are
interested, you may have a look here at the code here:
https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/
One day when I get some time I would like to replace Mono.Cecil with
Microsoft's parser that has been opensourced since.
HTH,
regards.
Usman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com> wrote:
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code,
written in C#. Is there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how
extensive/solid is it?
TIA
--
Johan Fabry, Senior Software Engineer.
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10:07 a.m.
Hi Usman,
Thanks for the reply! In the mean time I have been looking at using Roslyn: the .NET
reflection API's, to make a XML dump of the structure of the code. I am almost there
so I will keep going this route.
Now I can write a basic class structure with simple call information, and it's only
160 LOC of C# code. But the thing is that parsing is not enough, I also want the semantic
analysis that gives type information (argument types, receiver type) and I don’t want to
write that myself. Roslyn is supposed to give me that as well so I am investigating that
now.
--
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To: Moose-related development <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>
Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply.
I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was working in Inria.
This parser was based on Mono project and a library Mono.Cecil that provides API to access
MSIL.
The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic information required to create FAMIX
model (Classes, Namespaces, methods, attributes, invocations, accesses, params).
I think it might also have started to extract Generics but that part might not be
complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX for C# but used a library to transform
FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE import/export from existing code.
But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But if you are interested,
you may have a look here at the code here:
https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/
One day when I get some time I would like to replace Mono.Cecil with Microsoft's
parser that has been opensourced since.
HTH,
regards.
Usman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry
<Johan@raincode.com<mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code, written in C#. Is
there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how extensive/solid is it?
TIA
--
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10:21 a.m.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com> wrote:
Hi Usman,
Thanks for the reply! In the mean time I have been looking at using
Roslyn: the .NET reflection API's, to make a XML dump of the structure of
the code. I am almost there so I will keep going this route.
Excellent!
Now I can write a basic class structure with simple call information, and
it's only 160 LOC of C# code. But the thing is that parsing is not enough,
I also want the semantic analysis that gives type information (argument
types, receiver type) and I don’t want to write that myself. Roslyn is
supposed to give me that as well so I am investigating that now.
I hope it does.
Now, Mono.Cecil also does name resolution but sometimes I encountered
limitations with it hence I would also support that you go for a solution
provided by MS.
regards.
Usman
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*Subject:* [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply.
I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was working in
Inria.
This parser was based on Mono project and a library Mono.Cecil that
provides API to access MSIL.
The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic information required
to create FAMIX model (Classes, Namespaces, methods, attributes,
invocations, accesses, params).
I think it might also have started to extract Generics but that part might
not be complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX for C# but used a library to
transform FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE import/export from
existing code.
But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But if you are
interested, you may have a look here at the code here:
https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/
One day when I get some time I would like to replace Mono.Cecil with
Microsoft's parser that has been opensourced since.
HTH,
regards.
Usman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com> wrote:
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code,
written in C#. Is there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how
extensive/solid is it?
TIA
--
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16 May
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5:59 p.m.
Hi Johan,
you might take a look at my famix generator for IL code:
http://sharpmetrics.net/index.php/famix-generator
At the moment I am using Microsoft CCI but I have also begun to use Roslyn to generate
Famix models.
During the upcoming weeks I will release a new version of the generator and my other tool
(also change the license to that everything can be also used for commerical use).
Cheers
Thomas
Von: "Usman Bhatti" <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com>
An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>
Gesendet: Montag, 16. April 2018 10:21:46
Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Johan Fabry < [ mailto:Johan@raincode.com |
Johan(a)raincode.com ] > wrote:
Hi Usman,
Thanks for the reply! In the mean time I have been looking at using Roslyn: the .NET
reflection API's, to make a XML dump of the structure of the code. I am almost there
so I will keep going this route.
Excellent!
BQ_BEGIN
Now I can write a basic class structure with simple call information, and it's only
160 LOC of C# code. But the thing is that parsing is not enough, I also want the semantic
analysis that gives type information (argument types, receiver type) and I don’t want to
write that myself. Roslyn is supposed to give me that as well so I am investigating that
now.
BQ_END
I hope it does.
Now, Mono.Cecil also does name resolution but sometimes I encountered limitations with it
hence I would also support that you go for a solution provided by MS.
regards.
Usman
BQ_BEGIN
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Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply.
I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was working in Inria.
This parser was based on Mono project and a library Mono.Cecil that provides API to access
MSIL.
The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic information required to create FAMIX
model (Classes, Namespaces, methods, attributes, invocations, accesses, params).
I think it might also have started to extract Generics but that part might not be
complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX for C# but used a library to transform
FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE import/export from existing code.
But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But if you are interested,
you may have a look here at the code here:
[ https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/ |
https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/ ]
One day when I get some time I would like to replace Mono.Cecil with Microsoft's
parser that has been opensourced since.
HTH,
regards.
Usman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry < [ mailto:Johan@raincode.com |
Johan(a)raincode.com ] > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code, written in C#. Is
there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how extensive/solid is it?
TIA
--
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8:17 p.m.
Thanks Thomas.
Our objectives now is to put all the importer under MIT license.
Stef
On 16 May 2018, at 17:59, Thomas Haug
<thomas.haug(a)mathema.de> wrote:
Hi Johan,
you might take a look at my famix generator for IL code:
http://sharpmetrics.net/index.php/famix-generator
At the moment I am using Microsoft CCI but I have also begun to use Roslyn to generate
Famix models.
During the upcoming weeks I will release a new version of the generator and my other tool
(also change the license to that everything can be also used for commerical use).
Cheers
Thomas
Von: "Usman Bhatti" <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com>
An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>
Gesendet: Montag, 16. April 2018 10:21:46
Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com
<mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi Usman,
Thanks for the reply! In the mean time I have been looking at using Roslyn: the .NET
reflection API's, to make a XML dump of the structure of the code. I am almost there
so I will keep going this route.
Excellent!
Now I can write a basic class structure with simple call information, and it's only
160 LOC of C# code. But the thing is that parsing is not enough, I also want the semantic
analysis that gives type information (argument types, receiver type) and I don’t want to
write that myself. Roslyn is supposed to give me that as well so I am investigating that
now.
I hope it does.
Now, Mono.Cecil also does name resolution but sometimes I encountered limitations with it
hence I would also support that you go for a solution provided by MS.
regards.
Usman
--
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To: Moose-related development <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch
<mailto:moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch>>
Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply.
I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was working in Inria.
This parser was based on Mono project and a library Mono.Cecil that provides API to
access MSIL.
The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic information required to create FAMIX
model (Classes, Namespaces, methods, attributes, invocations, accesses, params).
I think it might also have started to extract Generics but that part might not be
complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX for C# but used a library to transform
FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE import/export from existing code.
But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But if you are interested,
you may have a look here at the code here:
https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/
<https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/>
One day when I get some time I would like to replace Mono.Cecil with Microsoft's
parser that has been opensourced since.
HTH,
regards.
Usman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com
<mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code, written in C#. Is
there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how extensive/solid is it?
TIA
--
Johan Fabry, Senior Software Engineer.
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10:10 p.m.
Hi Stef,
thanks for the info.
My famix generator is using a "proprietary" model to generate the FAMIX file.
My IL "analysis engine", which based on Microsoft CCI to create the
"proprietary" is not really in a shape to be open sourced (I fear I would ruine
my professional career if somebody sees how badly it is implemented ;-). Yes I am not
proud but it does the job and it was build in my rare spare time).
But I could offer to open source the famix generator and place it under the MIT license as
an intermediate step. The long term goal for me would be to switch to Roslyn and have a
sound implementation which can also be open sourced.
The question to you is if such a (half-hearted) solution would be ok for you?
If so then I would put the code into my github repo
Cheers
Thomas
Von: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>
An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 20:17:20
Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Thanks Thomas.
Our objectives now is to put all the importer under MIT license.
Stef
On 16 May 2018, at 17:59, Thomas Haug < [ mailto:thomas.haug@mathema.de |
thomas.haug(a)mathema.de ] > wrote:
Hi Johan,
you might take a look at my famix generator for IL code:
[ http://sharpmetrics.net/index.php/famix-generator |
http://sharpmetrics.net/index.php/famix-generator ]
At the moment I am using Microsoft CCI but I have also begun to use Roslyn to generate
Famix models.
During the upcoming weeks I will release a new version of the generator and my other tool
(also change the license to that everything can be also used for commerical use).
Cheers
Thomas
Von: "Usman Bhatti" < [ mailto:usman.bhatti@gmail.com |
usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com ] >
An: "Moose-related development" < [ mailto:moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch |
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Gesendet: Montag, 16. April 2018 10:21:46
Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Johan Fabry < [ mailto:Johan@raincode.com |
Johan(a)raincode.com ] > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Hi Usman,
Thanks for the reply! In the mean time I have been looking at using Roslyn: the .NET
reflection API's, to make a XML dump of the structure of the code. I am almost there
so I will keep going this route.
Excellent!
BQ_BEGIN
Now I can write a basic class structure with simple call information, and it's only
160 LOC of C# code. But the thing is that parsing is not enough, I also want the semantic
analysis that gives type information (argument types, receiver type) and I don’t want to
write that myself. Roslyn is supposed to give me that as well so I am investigating that
now.
BQ_END
I hope it does.
Now, Mono.Cecil also does name resolution but sometimes I encountered limitations with it
hence I would also support that you go for a solution provided by MS.
regards.
Usman
BQ_BEGIN
--
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Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply.
I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was working in Inria.
This parser was based on Mono project and a library Mono.Cecil that provides API to access
MSIL.
The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic information required to create FAMIX
model (Classes, Namespaces, methods, attributes, invocations, accesses, params).
I think it might also have started to extract Generics but that part might not be
complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX for C# but used a library to transform
FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE import/export from existing code.
But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But if you are interested,
you may have a look here at the code here:
[ https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/ |
https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/ ]
One day when I get some time I would like to replace Mono.Cecil with Microsoft's
parser that has been opensourced since.
HTH,
regards.
Usman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry < [ mailto:Johan@raincode.com |
Johan(a)raincode.com ] > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code, written in C#. Is
there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how extensive/solid is it?
TIA
--
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10:19 p.m.
Hi thomas
Do the best that you can.
Now you see if you open-source a badly implemented solution (and say to the guys that it
is in bad shape then we know it), people in need may even do a pass on it.
This is not like certain tools full of getClass.equal() everywhere that pretend that this
is the correct design :) They believe that they know object-oriented programming.
We are waiting that Synectique situation clarifies (it will probably die) and from that
day we will open-source everything we did.
The C++, C importers are already open-source and we should structure the moose git repo.
Stef
Hi Stef,
thanks for the info.
My famix generator is using a "proprietary" model to generate the FAMIX file.
My IL "analysis engine", which based on Microsoft CCI to create the
"proprietary" is not really in a shape to be open sourced (I fear I would ruine
my professional career if somebody sees how badly it is implemented ;-). Yes I am not
proud but it does the job and it was build in my rare spare time).
But I could offer to open source the famix generator and place it under the MIT license
as an intermediate step. The long term goal for me would be to switch to Roslyn and have a
sound implementation which can also be open sourced.
The question to you is if such a (half-hearted) solution would be ok for you?
If so then I would put the code into my github repo
Cheers
Thomas
Von: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>
An: "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 20:17:20
Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Thanks Thomas.
Our objectives now is to put all the importer under MIT license.
Stef
On 16 May 2018, at 17:59, Thomas Haug <thomas.haug(a)mathema.de
<mailto:thomas.haug@mathema.de>> wrote:
Hi Johan,
you might take a look at my famix generator for IL code:
http://sharpmetrics.net/index.php/famix-generator
<http://sharpmetrics.net/index.php/famix-generator>
At the moment I am using Microsoft CCI but I have also begun to use Roslyn to generate
Famix models.
During the upcoming weeks I will release a new version of the generator and my other tool
(also change the license to that everything can be also used for commerical use).
Cheers
Thomas
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com
<mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi Usman,
Thanks for the reply! In the mean time I have been looking at using Roslyn: the .NET
reflection API's, to make a XML dump of the structure of the code. I am almost there
so I will keep going this route.
Excellent!
Now I can write a basic class structure with simple call information, and it's only
160 LOC of C# code. But the thing is that parsing is not enough, I also want the semantic
analysis that gives type information (argument types, receiver type) and I don’t want to
write that myself. Roslyn is supposed to give me that as well so I am investigating that
now.
I hope it does.
Now, Mono.Cecil also does name resolution but sometimes I encountered limitations with it
hence I would also support that you go for a solution provided by MS.
regards.
Usman
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To: Moose-related development <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch
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Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply.
I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was working in Inria.
This parser was based on Mono project and a library Mono.Cecil that provides API to
access MSIL.
The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic information required to create FAMIX
model (Classes, Namespaces, methods, attributes, invocations, accesses, params).
I think it might also have started to extract Generics but that part might not be
complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX for C# but used a library to transform
FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE import/export from existing code.
But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But if you are interested,
you may have a look here at the code here:
https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/
<https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/>
One day when I get some time I would like to replace Mono.Cecil with Microsoft's
parser that has been opensourced since.
HTH,
regards.
Usman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com
<mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code, written in C#. Is
there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how extensive/solid is it?
TIA
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17 May
9:32 a.m.
Hi Thomas,
Thanks for your mail! In the mean time I hacked together a simple export using Roslyn and
it more or less did what I needed.
So I don't have any immediate need but I will certainly keep it in mind in the
future!
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From: Thomas Haug [mailto:thomas.haug@mathema.de]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 6:00 PM
To: Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com>
Cc: Moose-related development <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>
Subject: Re: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi Johan,
you might take a look at my famix generator for IL code:
http://sharpmetrics.net/index.php/famix-generator
At the moment I am using Microsoft CCI but I have also begun to use Roslyn to generate
Famix models.
During the upcoming weeks I will release a new version of the generator and my other tool
(also change the license to that everything can be also used for commerical use).
Cheers
Thomas
________________________________
Von: "Usman Bhatti"
<usman.bhatti@gmail.com<mailto:usman.bhatti@gmail.com>>
An: "Moose-related development"
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Gesendet: Montag, 16. April 2018 10:21:46
Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Johan Fabry
<Johan@raincode.com<mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi Usman,
Thanks for the reply! In the mean time I have been looking at using Roslyn: the .NET
reflection API's, to make a XML dump of the structure of the code. I am almost there
so I will keep going this route.
Excellent!
Now I can write a basic class structure with simple call information, and it's only
160 LOC of C# code. But the thing is that parsing is not enough, I also want the semantic
analysis that gives type information (argument types, receiver type) and I don’t want to
write that myself. Roslyn is supposed to give me that as well so I am investigating that
now.
I hope it does.
Now, Mono.Cecil also does name resolution but sometimes I encountered limitations with it
hence I would also support that you go for a solution provided by MS.
regards.
Usman
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To: Moose-related development
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Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply.
I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was working in Inria.
This parser was based on Mono project and a library Mono.Cecil that provides API to access
MSIL.
The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic information required to create FAMIX
model (Classes, Namespaces, methods, attributes, invocations, accesses, params).
I think it might also have started to extract Generics but that part might not be
complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX for C# but used a library to transform
FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE import/export from existing code.
But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But if you are interested,
you may have a look here at the code here:
https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/
One day when I get some time I would like to replace Mono.Cecil with Microsoft's
parser that has been opensourced since.
HTH,
regards.
Usman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry
<Johan@raincode.com<mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code, written in C#. Is
there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how extensive/solid is it?
TIA
--
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9:40 a.m.
I agree with Stef, do not be afraid to put it out there.
Nobody else knows your exact situation and hence the decisions you had to make to get to a
certain design or implementation. Nobody is perfect. Worse things have been released but
are still useful.
<rant>Look for example at the design of Roslyn. That thing is so hard to use and
it's so unclear why things go wrong when they do. Yet it's supposed to be built by
people who know very well what they are doing. Good luck if you want to use it and get it
to work 100%. I still have some cases where it cannot give me receiver type information
even though it is trivial to deduce (and visual studio does it without
problems).</rant>
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Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi thomas
Do the best that you can.
Now you see if you open-source a badly implemented solution (and say to the guys that it
is in bad shape then we know it), people in need may even do a pass on it.
This is not like certain tools full of getClass.equal() everywhere that pretend that this
is the correct design :) They believe that they know object-oriented programming.
We are waiting that Synectique situation clarifies (it will probably die) and from that
day we will open-source everything we did.
The C++, C importers are already open-source and we should structure the moose git repo.
Stef
Hi Stef,
thanks for the info.
My famix generator is using a "proprietary" model to generate the FAMIX file.
My IL "analysis engine", which based on Microsoft CCI to create the
"proprietary" is not really in a shape to be open sourced (I fear I would ruine
my professional career if somebody sees how badly it is implemented ;-). Yes I am not
proud but it does the job and it was build in my rare spare time).
But I could offer to open source the famix generator and place it under the MIT license as
an intermediate step. The long term goal for me would be to switch to Roslyn and have a
sound implementation which can also be open sourced.
The question to you is if such a (half-hearted) solution would be ok for you?
If so then I would put the code into my github repo
Cheers
Thomas
________________________________
Von: "Stéphane Ducasse"
<stephane.ducasse@inria.fr<mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>>
An: "Moose-related development"
<moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch<mailto:moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch>>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 20:17:20
Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Thanks Thomas.
Our objectives now is to put all the importer under MIT license.
Stef
On 16 May 2018, at 17:59, Thomas Haug
<thomas.haug@mathema.de<mailto:thomas.haug@mathema.de>> wrote:
Hi Johan,
you might take a look at my famix generator for IL code:
http://sharpmetrics.net/index.php/famix-generator
At the moment I am using Microsoft CCI but I have also begun to use Roslyn to generate
Famix models.
During the upcoming weeks I will release a new version of the generator and my other tool
(also change the license to that everything can be also used for commerical use).
Cheers
Thomas
________________________________
Von: "Usman Bhatti"
<usman.bhatti@gmail.com<mailto:usman.bhatti@gmail.com>>
An: "Moose-related development"
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Gesendet: Montag, 16. April 2018 10:21:46
Betreff: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Johan Fabry
<Johan@raincode.com<mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi Usman,
Thanks for the reply! In the mean time I have been looking at using Roslyn: the .NET
reflection API's, to make a XML dump of the structure of the code. I am almost there
so I will keep going this route.
Excellent!
Now I can write a basic class structure with simple call information, and it's only
160 LOC of C# code. But the thing is that parsing is not enough, I also want the semantic
analysis that gives type information (argument types, receiver type) and I don’t want to
write that myself. Roslyn is supposed to give me that as well so I am investigating that
now.
I hope it does.
Now, Mono.Cecil also does name resolution but sometimes I encountered limitations with it
hence I would also support that you go for a solution provided by MS.
regards.
Usman
--
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From: Moose-dev
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On Behalf Of Usman Bhatti
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 9:59 AM
To: Moose-related development
<moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch<mailto:moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch>>
Subject: [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply.
I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was working in Inria.
This parser was based on Mono project and a library Mono.Cecil that provides API to access
MSIL.
The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic information required to create FAMIX
model (Classes, Namespaces, methods, attributes, invocations, accesses, params).
I think it might also have started to extract Generics but that part might not be
complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX for C# but used a library to transform
FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE import/export from existing code.
But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But if you are interested,
you may have a look here at the code here:
https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/
One day when I get some time I would like to replace Mono.Cecil with Microsoft's
parser that has been opensourced since.
HTH,
regards.
Usman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry
<Johan@raincode.com<mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code, written in C#. Is
there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how extensive/solid is it?
TIA
--
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10:03 a.m.
Hi,
And to add my voice to that of steph and Johan, I am not particularly
proud of the C/C++ importer, yet I opened it and some people tried to
use it recently.
I am not sure they succedded, so it might be a bad example, but there is
always hope that somebody will have time to improve it at some point
nicolas
On 16/05/2018 22:19, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi thomas
Do the best that you can.
Now you see if you open-source a badly implemented solution (and say
to the guys that it is in bad shape then we know it), people in need
may even do a pass on it.
This is not like certain tools full of getClass.equal() everywhere
that pretend that this is the correct design :) They believe that they
know object-oriented programming.
We are waiting that Synectique situation clarifies (it will probably
die) and from that day we will open-source everything we did.
The C++, C importers are already open-source and we should structure
the moose git repo.
Stef
--
Nicolas Anquetil
RMod team -- Inria Lille
Hi Stef,
thanks for the info.
My famix generator is using a "proprietary" model to generate the
FAMIX file.
My IL "analysis engine", which based on Microsoft CCI to create the
"proprietary" is not really in a shape to be open sourced (I fear I
would ruine my professional career if somebody sees how badly it is
implemented ;-). Yes I am not proud but it does the job and it was
build in my rare spare time).
But I could offer to open source the famix generator and place it
under the MIT license as an intermediate step. The long term goal for
me would be to switch to Roslyn and have a sound implementation which
can also be open sourced.
The question to you is if such a (half-hearted) solution would be ok
for you?
If so then I would put the code into my github repo
Cheers
Thomas
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*Von: *"Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr
<mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>>
*An: *"Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch
<mailto:moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch>>
*Gesendet: *Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 20:17:20
*Betreff: *[Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Thanks Thomas.
Our objectives now is to put all the importer under MIT license.
Stef
On 16 May 2018, at 17:59, Thomas Haug <thomas.haug(a)mathema.de
<mailto:thomas.haug@mathema.de>> wrote:
Hi Johan,
you might take a look at my famix generator for IL code:
http://sharpmetrics.net/index.php/famix-generator
At the moment I am using Microsoft CCI but I have also begun to
use Roslyn to generate Famix models.
During the upcoming weeks I will release a new version of the
generator and my other tool (also change the license to that
everything can be also used for commerical use).
Cheers
Thomas
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*Von: *"Usman Bhatti" <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com
<mailto:usman.bhatti@gmail.com>>
*An: *"Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch
<mailto:moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch>>
*Gesendet: *Montag, 16. April 2018 10:21:46
*Betreff: *[Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com
<mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi Usman,
Thanks for the reply! In the mean time I have been looking at
using Roslyn: the .NET reflection API's, to make a XML dump
of the structure of the code. I am almost there so I will
keep going this route.
Excellent!
Now I can write a basic class structure with simple call
information, and it's only 160 LOC of C# code. But the thing
is that parsing is not enough, I also want the semantic
analysis that gives type information (argument types,
receiver type) and I don’t want to write that myself. Roslyn
is supposed to give me that as well so I am investigating
that now.
I hope it does.
Now, Mono.Cecil also does name resolution but sometimes I
encountered limitations with it hence I would also support that
you go for a solution provided by MS.
regards.
Usman
--
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*From:* Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch
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*Usman Bhatti
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*To:* Moose-related development <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch
<mailto:moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch>>
*Subject:* [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply.
I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was
working in Inria.
This parser was based on Mono project and a library
Mono.Cecil that provides API to access MSIL.
The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic
information required to create FAMIX model (Classes,
Namespaces, methods, attributes, invocations, accesses, params).
I think it might also have started to extract Generics but
that part might not be complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX
for C# but used a library to transform FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE
import/export from existing code.
But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But
if you are interested, you may have a look here at the code here:
https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/
One day when I get some time I would like to replace
Mono.Cecil with Microsoft's parser that has been opensourced
since.
HTH,
regards.
Usman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry
<Johan(a)raincode.com <mailto:Johan@raincode.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of
our own code, written in C#. Is there a parser for C# in
Moose and if so, how extensive/solid is it?
TIA
--
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4:08 p.m.
In response to earlier replies from Stephane, Nicholas, and any others, on
the subject of using Moose with C/C++ using VerveineC-Cpp and/or Famix-C:
My immediate stumbling block using Moose on C/C++ code is the scarcity of
examples of how to actually start using them, once the requisite tools are
installed--Famix-C as part of installing Moose, or VerveineC-Cpp separately
installed using the instructions from the Github project.
Such an example should at minimum illustrate, starting with tools (including
installation instructions for tools like VerveineC-Cpp that aren't
integrated into the Moose distribution) and a set of source files, what a
neophyte like me would need to do, to get the source code "loaded" into
Moose.
If I and others were able to start using these tools, we might also (in the
more or less distant future) become able to help in some way with their
development.
Hoping for help, while hoping to be helpful,
Galen
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18 May
18 May
5:40 p.m.
Hello - reading this discussion, I'm reminded of the book "Team Geek" (1)
and the part about the "Genius Myth".
Most programmers are afraid to share work they’ve only just started,
because it means peers will see their mistakes and
know the author of the
code is not a genius.
The authors (who were key SVN developers) even mention that in 2008 users
were asking for strange SVN features so users could "hide branches" of
code, or "erase history",etc., because they were embarassed of their work.
According to the authors, it's all very normal to have this insecurity.
Some people may judge, but I don't equate one's self-worth with the quality
of that person's code. I encourage you to put the code out there,
especially if someone's asking for it.
Cheers,
Christopher
1. Fitzpatrick, Brian W.; Collins-Sussman, Ben. Team Geek: A Software
Developer's Guide to Working Well with Others (pp. 4-5). O'Reilly Media.
Kindle Edition.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 4:03 AM, Nicolas Anquetil <nicolas.anquetil(a)inria.fr
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> And to add my voice to that of steph and Johan, I am not particularly
> proud of the C/C++ importer, yet I opened it and some people tried to use
> it recently.
>
> I am not sure they succedded, so it might be a bad example, but there is
> always hope that somebody will have time to improve it at some point
>
> nicolas
>
> On 16/05/2018 22:19, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
> Hi thomas
>
> Do the best that you can.
> Now you see if you open-source a badly implemented solution (and say to
> the guys that it is in bad shape then we know it), people in need may even
> do a pass on it.
> This is not like certain tools full of getClass.equal() everywhere that
> pretend that this is the correct design :) They believe that they know
> object-oriented programming.
>
> We are waiting that Synectique situation clarifies (it will probably die)
> and from that day we will open-source everything we did.
> The C++, C importers are already open-source and we should structure the
> moose git repo.
>
> Stef
>
> Hi Stef,
> thanks for the info.
>
> My famix generator is using a "proprietary" model to generate the FAMIX
> file.
> My IL "analysis engine", which based on Microsoft CCI to create the
> "proprietary" is not really in a shape to be open sourced (I fear I would
> ruine my professional career if somebody sees how badly it is implemented
> ;-). Yes I am not proud but it does the job and it was build in my rare
> spare time).
>
> But I could offer to open source the famix generator and place it under
> the MIT license as an intermediate step. The long term goal for me would be
> to switch to Roslyn and have a sound implementation which can also be open
> sourced.
>
> The question to you is if such a (half-hearted) solution would be ok for
> you?
> If so then I would put the code into my github repo
>
> Cheers
> Thomas
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *Von: *"Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>
> *An: *"Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>
> *Gesendet: *Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 20:17:20
> *Betreff: *[Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
>
> Thanks Thomas.
> Our objectives now is to put all the importer under MIT license.
>
> Stef
>
> On 16 May 2018, at 17:59, Thomas Haug <thomas.haug(a)mathema.de wrote:
>
> Hi Johan,
>
> you might take a look at my famix generator for IL code:
> http://sharpmetrics.net/index.php/famix-generator
>
> At the moment I am using Microsoft CCI but I have also begun to use Roslyn
> to generate Famix models.
> During the upcoming weeks I will release a new version of the generator
> and my other tool (also change the license to that everything can be also
> used for commerical use).
>
> Cheers
> Thomas
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *Von: *"Usman Bhatti" <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com>
> *An: *"Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>
> *Gesendet: *Montag, 16. April 2018 10:21:46
> *Betreff: *[Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Usman,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the reply! In the mean time I have been looking at using
>> Roslyn: the .NET reflection API's, to make a XML dump of the structure of
>> the code. I am almost there so I will keep going this route.
>>
>
> Excellent!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Now I can write a basic class structure with simple call information, and
>> it's only 160 LOC of C# code. But the thing is that parsing is not enough,
>> I also want the semantic analysis that gives type information (argument
>> types, receiver type) and I don’t want to write that myself. Roslyn is
>> supposed to give me that as well so I am investigating that now.
>>
>
> I hope it does.
> Now, Mono.Cecil also does name resolution but sometimes I encountered
> limitations with it hence I would also support that you go for a solution
> provided by MS.
>
> regards.
> Usman
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Johan Fabry, *Senior Software Engineer.
>>
>> johan(a)raincode.com | Email too brief? Here's why*! *
>> http://emailcharter.org
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] *On
>> Behalf Of *Usman Bhatti
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2018 9:59 AM
>> *To:* Moose-related development <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>
>> *Subject:* [Moose-dev] Re: C# importer ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry for the late reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> I worked on a C# (MSIL) importer a few years back while I was working in
>> Inria.
>>
>>
>>
>> This parser was based on Mono project and a library Mono.Cecil that
>> provides API to access MSIL.
>>
>>
>>
>> The importer I wrote was able to extract the basic information required
>> to create FAMIX model (Classes, Namespaces, methods, attributes,
>> invocations, accesses, params).
>>
>> I think it might also have started to extract Generics but that part
>> might not be complete. I didn't rewrite FAME/FAMIX for C# but used a
>> library to transform FAME/FAMIX in Java to C#.
>>
>> That meant that I could reuse the meta-model + MSE import/export from
>> existing code.
>>
>>
>>
>> But I haven't been able to work on it since 6 years now. But if you are
>> interested, you may have a look here at the code here:
>>
>> https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/anonscm/svn/verveinesharp/
>>
>>
>>
>> One day when I get some time I would like to replace Mono.Cecil with
>> Microsoft's parser that has been opensourced since.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>>
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> Usman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Johan Fabry <Johan(a)raincode.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> And now it looks like I will need to analyze a part of our own code,
>> written in C#. Is there a parser for C# in Moose and if so, how
>> extensive/solid is it?
>>
>> TIA
>> --
>> Johan Fabry, Senior Software Engineer.
>> johan(a)raincode.com | Email too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org
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