1 Sep
2014
1 Sep
'14
11:23 a.m.
I again want to highlight the importance of dimensions that are not scalable.
If you remember Voronyj diagrams[1] that Natalia did, usually you do not care about the
size of borders, or the size of sites compared to the rest of diagram. But as total size
of a resulting diagram is not predictable, and you scale it to fill your viewport, you end
up with a different size of borders which is sometimes inappropriate.
Again, when you have a scatterplot. Sometimes you have clusters, and sometimes you have
sparse plots. I think that it can be essential to be able to say: “I need my elements to
be always 5px in radius”. This way you can always see them when you zoom out and they are
not overlapping when you zoom in.
I understand that this may be hard to implement. Just wanted to highlight because maybe
someone is planing to do something cool on the next weekend :)
Uko
[1] http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/
2 Sep
2 Sep
7:04 p.m.
Hi Uko,
This is indeed something I have thought about for long. If you take Omnigraffle for
example, you can group elements, and the. Resize them all. Having this in Roassal is
trivial.
Being able to say that a group of elements should have a particular size, will this work
for you?
Alexandre
Le 01-09-2014 à 5:23, Yuriy Tymchuk
<yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> a écrit :
I again want to highlight the importance of dimensions that are not scalable.
If you remember Voronyj diagrams[1] that Natalia did, usually you do not care about the
size of borders, or the size of sites compared to the rest of diagram. But as total size
of a resulting diagram is not predictable, and you scale it to fill your viewport, you end
up with a different size of borders which is sometimes inappropriate.
Again, when you have a scatterplot. Sometimes you have clusters, and sometimes you have
sparse plots. I think that it can be essential to be able to say: “I need my elements to
be always 5px in radius”. This way you can always see them when you zoom out and they are
not overlapping when you zoom in.
I understand that this may be hard to implement. Just wanted to highlight because maybe
someone is planing to do something cool on the next weekend :)
Uko
[1] http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/
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7:16 p.m.
Sounds good. But is there already something implemented? Because I’d like to hook this up
with zooming, so camera does not rescale them.
Uko
On 02 Sep 2014, at 19:04, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi Uko,
This is indeed something I have thought about for long. If you take Omnigraffle for
example, you can group elements, and the. Resize them all. Having this in Roassal is
trivial.
Being able to say that a group of elements should have a particular size, will this work
for you?
Alexandre
Le 01-09-2014 à 5:23, Yuriy Tymchuk
<yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> a écrit :
I again want to highlight the importance of dimensions that are not scalable.
If you remember Voronyj diagrams[1] that Natalia did, usually you do not care about the
size of borders, or the size of sites compared to the rest of diagram. But as total size
of a resulting diagram is not predictable, and you scale it to fill your viewport, you end
up with a different size of borders which is sometimes inappropriate.
Again, when you have a scatterplot. Sometimes you have clusters, and sometimes you have
sparse plots. I think that it can be essential to be able to say: “I need my elements to
be always 5px in radius”. This way you can always see them when you zoom out and they are
not overlapping when you zoom in.
I understand that this may be hard to implement. Just wanted to highlight because maybe
someone is planing to do something cool on the next weekend :)
Uko
[1] http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/
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3 Sep
3 Sep
4:59 p.m.
Give me a couple of hours…
It is coming
Alexandre
On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
Sounds good. But is there already something
implemented? Because I’d like to hook this up with zooming, so camera does not rescale
them.
Uko
On 02 Sep 2014, at 19:04, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
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Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
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Hi Uko,
This is indeed something I have thought about for long. If you take Omnigraffle for
example, you can group elements, and the. Resize them all. Having this in Roassal is
trivial.
Being able to say that a group of elements should have a particular size, will this work
for you?
Alexandre
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Le 01-09-2014 à 5:23, Yuriy Tymchuk
<yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> a écrit :
I again want to highlight the importance of dimensions that are not scalable.
If you remember Voronyj diagrams[1] that Natalia did, usually you do not care about the
size of borders, or the size of sites compared to the rest of diagram. But as total size
of a resulting diagram is not predictable, and you scale it to fill your viewport, you end
up with a different size of borders which is sometimes inappropriate.
Again, when you have a scatterplot. Sometimes you have clusters, and sometimes you have
sparse plots. I think that it can be essential to be able to say: “I need my elements to
be always 5px in radius”. This way you can always see them when you zoom out and they are
not overlapping when you zoom in.
I understand that this may be hard to implement. Just wanted to highlight because maybe
someone is planing to do something cool on the next weekend :)
Uko
[1] http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/
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5:24 p.m.
Hi Yuriy,
Update Roassal and you can send #extent:, #width: and #height: to a RTGroup. I did not
want to play with the matrix. Maybe we should on some point. But for now, I think this is
okay.
Try this:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
elements := (RTEllipse new size: (30 atRandom)) elementsOn: (1 to: 30).
RTForceBasedLayout on: elements.
v := RTView new.
v addAll: elements.
handle := (RTBox new size: 20; color: Color red) element.
v add: handle.
handle @ RTDraggable.
TRConstraint move: handle onTheRightBelowOf: elements.
callback := TRTranslationCallback new block: [ :shape :step |
elements extent: (handle encompassingRectangle topLeft - elements encompassingRectangle
topLeft). v signalUpdate ].
handle trachelShape addCallback: callback.
v
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
Sounds good. But is there already something
implemented? Because I’d like to hook this up with zooming, so camera does not rescale
them.
Uko
On 02 Sep 2014, at 19:04, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
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_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Hi Uko,
This is indeed something I have thought about for long. If you take Omnigraffle for
example, you can group elements, and the. Resize them all. Having this in Roassal is
trivial.
Being able to say that a group of elements should have a particular size, will this work
for you?
Alexandre
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Le 01-09-2014 à 5:23, Yuriy Tymchuk
<yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> a écrit :
I again want to highlight the importance of dimensions that are not scalable.
If you remember Voronyj diagrams[1] that Natalia did, usually you do not care about the
size of borders, or the size of sites compared to the rest of diagram. But as total size
of a resulting diagram is not predictable, and you scale it to fill your viewport, you end
up with a different size of borders which is sometimes inappropriate.
Again, when you have a scatterplot. Sometimes you have clusters, and sometimes you have
sparse plots. I think that it can be essential to be able to say: “I need my elements to
be always 5px in radius”. This way you can always see them when you zoom out and they are
not overlapping when you zoom in.
I understand that this may be hard to implement. Just wanted to highlight because maybe
someone is planing to do something cool on the next weekend :)
Uko
[1] http://natalia.tymchuk.me/RTVoronyjDiagram/
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