30 Jun
2014
30 Jun
'14
10:32 a.m.
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it it
is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two in
probably some clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the
advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
30 Jun
30 Jun
10:56 a.m.
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Hi Stef,
is there any tutorial on how to use versioner? Because all metacello magic is to
complicated for me. In ruby gems it’s simple: you gust specify a project name and a
version you want to use. And here we need to deal with all the baselines, symbolic
versions and so on.
Uko
On 30 Jun 2014, at 10:32, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it it is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two in probably some
clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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11:27 a.m.
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It is two clicks.
Christophe did a video you should check it in the Pharo mailing
In a nutshell
in devlopment you commit normally your packages.
- to load you click on development and load the latest ones.
in dev if you change the baseline, (you change it)
- you click on dev
- save (to development) + commit
to release
you click on development
- release (-> this creates a new version)
- commit
:)
done
Uko
On 30 Jun 2014, at 10:32, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it it is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two in probably some
clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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11:52 a.m.
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Yes, I saw this. But, I did not see what happens when you have nested
configurations. How do you control which version of the nested config to
point to in your new version?
Cheers,
Doru
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:27 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
It is two clicks.
Christophe did a video you should check it in the Pharo mailing
In a nutshell
in devlopment you commit normally your packages.
- to load you click on development and load the latest ones.
in dev if you change the baseline, (you change it)
- you click on dev
- save (to development) + commit
to release
you click on development
- release (-> this creates a new version)
- commit
:)
done
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I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it it is
really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as
XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two in
probably some clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the
advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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12:24 p.m.
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I will let a chance to christophe to reply.
For now if we succeed to freeze part of moose on release and for other
part use baseline we will already be better
than now (I hope) and we can iterate with christophe.
Stef
On 30/6/14 11:52, Tudor Girba wrote:
Yes, I saw this. But, I did not see what happens when
you have nested
configurations. How do you control which version of the nested config
to point to in your new version?
Cheers,
Doru
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:27 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr
<mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote:
It is two clicks.
Christophe did a video you should check it in the Pharo mailing
In a nutshell
in devlopment you commit normally your packages.
- to load you click on development and load the latest ones.
in dev if you change the baseline, (you change it)
- you click on dev
- save (to development) + commit
to release
you click on development
- release (-> this creates a new version)
- commit
:)
done
Uko
On 30 Jun 2014, at 10:32, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr
<mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote:
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that
I use it it is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during
development
- we should use stable or versionned for external
packages such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every
week or two in probably some clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we
have the advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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11:59 a.m.
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I'm really busy today but I could try to do a video.
Tell me if the description I sent is ok for you.
Would be good to have a one page tutorial in a cool blog :)
Stef
On 30/6/14 10:56, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote:
Hi Stef,
is there any tutorial on how to use versioner? Because all metacello magic is to
complicated for me. In ruby gems it’s simple: you gust specify a project name and a
version you want to use. And here we need to deal with all the baselines, symbolic
versions and so on.
Uko
On 30 Jun 2014, at 10:32, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it it is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two in probably some
clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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Uko2 wrote
is there any tutorial on how to use versioner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Dbmmln8tA
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11:19 a.m.
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Yes. That is pretty much the model we want for Moose.
I already started to work with Versionner. It is a bit complicated, but I
am happy it exists. We can iterate from this point on. I did not see how I
can release deep configurations, though.
Doru
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:32 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it it is
really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two in
probably some clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the
advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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On 30/6/14 11:19, Tudor Girba wrote:
Yes. That is pretty much the model we want for Moose.
I already started to work with Versionner. It is a bit complicated,
why?
but I am happy it exists. We can iterate from this
point on.
This is the point.
I did not see how I can release deep configurations,
though.
Indeed christophe can improve that part.
For now we will have to click manually on the top levels configurations
and release them.
Stef
Doru
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:32 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr
<mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote:
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it
it is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages
such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or
two in probably some clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the
advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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2:07 p.m.
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Tudor Girba-2 wrote
I already started to work with Versionner. It is a bit
complicated, but I
am happy it exists. We can iterate from this point on.
The goal of Versionner is to made configurations easy. So, I'm very
interested to know what was complicated for you to improve that.
Tudor Girba-2 wrote
I did not see how I can release deep configurations,
though.
For now, it is not possible because Versionner was thinked to manage one
project at a time. Stephane explained me a bit how Moose configs management
works and yes, it could be useful for you to be able to do some kind of
"deep release". I will check how to do that.
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I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now
that I use it it
is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as
XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two
in probably some clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the
advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
I was discussing with
christophe and
- for external projects that we do not control we could also fork
and maintain our own configuration.
- for people working on alpha pharo versions (we should think about
a ConfigurationOfPharo that PharoTeam should do.)
11:32 a.m.
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Stef,
Just to be sure I understand our goal properly:
We want to create a stable version with versioner at the end of the week. A stable version
is a version that only gets approved changes (where we can have discussion about when a
change gets approved for moose …).
If we want a snapshot (no bug fixes allowed, 100% reproducible), we should not pollute the
configuration with it. And then we need to have a complete list with all packages. That
means: that we need a snapshot of Pharo too.
I am currently taking a look at versioner and trying to determine if this workflow would
be acceptable. I tried it on Moose and and Glamour. And this is the problems I have:
- The comment on the release button says: create a new version and a new baseline.
Pressing the button does not create a new baseline (this is good), so please fix the
comment here.
- Pressing the button suggests it resolves all symbolic dependencies to actual versions.
I want more control here. In Moose the correct version for Grease is currently
#’release1.1’. For Magritte3 this should be #’release3.1’.
- Dialog is way too small: I cannot see the version number I am creating.
- The suggested version number is incorrect. I.e. for moose it should be 5.0 or 5.0.0.
For glamour it should be 2.9 or 2.9.0.
- Looking at the version:
when you want to create a stable version, starting at
a development version, it should also "upgrade the references" to used projects
to stable. Either by using the latest stable, or by creating a new stable version is the
current version is newer. This means that each time it encounters a project that is
“dirty” in the sense I described above, I get a dialog asking me if I want to create new
version and what version number this should be.
I do not get the possibility of adding a good description.
In glamour I get 2 common blocks.
- both common blocks define author, timestamp,
blessing and description.
These problems should be fixed before we can do this. And of course, we should check for
all projects if the result is the desired result.
Diego
On 30 Jun 2014, at 10:32, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it it is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two in probably some
clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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On 30/6/14 11:32, Diego Lont wrote:
Stef,
Just to be sure I understand our goal properly:
We want to create a stable version with versioner at the end of the week. A stable
version is a version that only gets approved changes (where we can have discussion about
when a change gets approved for moose …).
There are two goals (orthogonal in fact)
- how can we reproduce (reload) an exact version of the same
packages regularly (for example every two weeks)
without pain? While supporting the load latest in dev and freeze model.
- how can we provide a modular infrastructure for everybody
building on top of the moose infrastructure:
MooseIDE + synectique tools should reuse extend the same
infrastructure (called mooseEngines by Doru)?
If we want a snapshot (no bug fixes allowed, 100% reproducible), we should not pollute
the configuration with it. And then we need to have a complete list with all packages.
That means: that we need a snapshot of Pharo too.
Yes but let us start to clean
in front of our door and after we
kick the ass of these pharo people :)
I am currently taking a look at versioner and trying to determine if this workflow would
be acceptable. I tried it on Moose and and Glamour. And this is the problems I have:
- The comment on the release button says: create a new version and a new baseline.
Pressing the button does not create a new baseline (this is good), so please fix the
comment here.
Easy
- Pressing the button suggests it resolves all
symbolic dependencies to actual versions. I want more control here. In Moose the correct
version for Grease is currently #’release1.1’. For Magritte3 this should be #’release3.1’.
Yes we were talking about it with Christophe.
- Dialog is way too small: I cannot see the version
number I am creating.
- The suggested version number is incorrect. I.e. for moose it should be 5.0 or 5.0.0.
For glamour it should be 2.9 or 2.9.0.
For me if all the rest work this is
ok :)
- Looking at the version:
when you want to create a stable version, starting at
a development version, it should also "upgrade the references" to used projects
to stable. Either by using the latest stable, or by creating a new stable version is the
current version is newer. This means that each time it encounters a project that is
“dirty” in the sense I described above, I get a dialog asking me if I want to create new
version and what version number this should be.
I do not get the possibility of adding a good description.
In glamour I get 2 common blocks.
- both common blocks define author, timestamp,
blessing and description.
Problably
These problems should be fixed before we can do this.
We should start and give feedback as you are doing it. Tx. I think that people like
clients so we should use versionner
and contact christophe :)
Diego
On 30 Jun 2014, at 10:32, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it it is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two in probably some
clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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2:32 p.m.
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DiegoLont wrote
Strange, I should try to reproduce.
DiegoLont wrote
Just to be sure I understand our goal properly:
We want to create a stable version with versioner at the end of the week.
A stable version is a version that only gets approved changes (where we
can have discussion about when a change gets approved for moose …).
If we want a snapshot (no bug fixes allowed, 100% reproducible), we should
not pollute the configuration with it. And then we need to have a complete
list with all packages. That means: that we need a snapshot of Pharo too.
Yes, we should really take care that released (numbered versions with exact
packages leading to reproducible loadings) are not snapshots. A release
should correspond to something else that just the version of the week XX. A
release should provides a list of changes / features accepted by the
community, thus forming a coherent set of packages.
I'm also against a bloated configuration with released versions
corresponding to nothing.
The best is to be able to do a release easily, *only when needed*.
DiegoLont wrote
I am currently taking a look at versioner and trying
to determine if this
workflow would be acceptable. I tried it on Moose and and Glamour. And
this is the problems I have:
- The comment on the release button says: create a new version and a new
baseline. Pressing the button does not create a new baseline (this is
good), so please fix the comment here.
right, thanks. In a first time, at each time a structural change was made to
the configuration, a new baseline was created. It is not true anymore. I
will update the comment.
DiegoLont wrote
- Pressing the button suggests it resolves all
symbolic dependencies to
actual versions.
I want more control here. In Moose the correct version for Grease is
currently #’release1.1’. For Magritte3 this should be #’release3.1’.
You can also set the specific version directly in the development version
but, if I understand well, you would like to specify any version at the
release time?
DiegoLont wrote
- Dialog is way too small: I cannot see the version
number I am creating.
Spec problem. I don't know how to fix this pb.
DiegoLont wrote
- The suggested version number is incorrect. I.e. for
moose it should be
5.0 or 5.0.0. For glamour it should be 2.9 or 2.9.0.
What was suggested? Versionner relies on the max version detected by
Metacello for that.
DiegoLont wrote
- Looking at the version:
It looks like it is the core feature missing for Moose peple: some kind of
deep release.
Here, I would like suggestions on how to do that. For such a big
configuration, you may end with dozens of dialog boxes (for each projec) and
a huge process.
DiegoLont wrote
when you want to create a stable version,
starting at a development
version, it should also "upgrade the
references" to used projects to
stable. Either by using the latest stable, or by creating a new stable
version is the current version is newer. This means that each time it
encounters a project that is “dirty” in the sense I described above, I get
a dialog asking me if I want to create new version and what version number
this should be. > I do not get the possibility of adding a good
description.
I should ask in the release panel. The description label displayed is not
good to do that.
DiegoLont wrote
In glamour I
get 2 common blocks.
- both common blocks define author, timestamp, blessing
and
description. These problems should be fixed before we can do this.
And of course, we
should check for all projects if the result is the desired result.
Don't hesitate to open bugs/feature requests and/or contribute.
Regards,
Christophe.
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Just to add my 2 cents: you can specify an initial window size for a Spec window by
defining an extent method at instance side. For example:
extent
^1000@600
That should be big enough :-)
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- Dialog is way too small: I cannot see the
version number I am creating.
Spec problem. I don't know how to fix this pb.
9:46 p.m.
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oh, I read too fast! Of course, I can easily increase the dialog size.
I was talking about the input box where the text is badly displayed.
Le 30 juin 2014 à 18:23, Johan Fabry a écrit :
Just to add my 2 cents: you can specify an initial window size for a Spec window by
defining an extent method at instance side. For example:
extent
^1000@600
That should be big enough :-)
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11:34 a.m.
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Hi Stef,
Why isn’t this process first tested in Pharo. To avoid problems in the future I would like
to suggest that for the coming month we create a version in the ConfigurationOfPharo each
build of Pharo. As you say: this is just one click and everybody should use it …
I fear that the size of the configuration might give problems, and this is a very good way
to discover problems with the suggested process.
Diego
On 30 Jun 2014, at 10:32, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it it is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two in probably some
clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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Hi Stef,
Why isn’t this process first tested in Pharo.
Because Pharo is another beast. I
would love to but Pharo is huge and we
still have plenty to problems with dependencies.
In Moose I cleaned a lot of configurations when I want to reload
configurations with Snapshotcello.
To avoid problems in the future I would like to
suggest that for the coming month we create a version in the ConfigurationOfPharo each
build of Pharo. As you say: this is just one click and everybody should use it …
I fear that the size of the configuration might give problems, and this is a very good
way to discover problems with the suggested process.
:)
Diego
On 30 Jun 2014, at 10:32, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hi
I really think that
- everybody should use versionner :) because now that I use it it is really nice.
- we should use baseline for development during development
- we should use stable or versionned for external packages such as XML.
- with versionner we can release at the end of every week or two in probably some
clicks.
(I can ask christophe for some improvements).
So can we agree on that because we can make sure that we have the advantges that now
and have at the end of every week a versionned released?
Stef
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