6 Jun
2014
6 Jun
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3:52 p.m.
Hi!
We worked on the arrow support in Roassal. Here is a screenshot:
Cheers,
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10:51 p.m.
Nice.
Did you consider implementing the arrows implemented in Softwarenaut and
Quicksilver? The idea is to have them from center to center and a bit
shifted to have edges in both directions visible. They also start being
drawn not quite from the edge of the shape but with a little gap. They are
pretty nice and scale well.
Cheers,
Doru
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Hi!
We worked on the arrow support in Roassal. Here is a screenshot:
Cheers,
Alexandre
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10:52 p.m.
See here an example:
http://scg.unibe.ch/research/quicksilver
Doru
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Nice.
Did you consider implementing the arrows implemented in Softwarenaut and
Quicksilver? The idea is to have them from center to center and a bit
shifted to have edges in both directions visible. They also start being
drawn not quite from the edge of the shape but with a little gap. They are
pretty nice and scale well.
Cheers,
Doru
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Hi!
We worked on the arrow support in Roassal. Here is a screenshot:
Cheers,
Alexandre
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A big +1 on that! I have situations with back and forth arrows and they are not well
distinguishable.
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See here an example:
http://scg.unibe.ch/research/quicksilver
Doru
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Nice.
Did you consider implementing the arrows implemented in Softwarenaut and Quicksilver? The
idea is to have them from center to center and a bit shifted to have edges in both
directions visible. They also start being drawn not quite from the edge of the shape but
with a little gap. They are pretty nice and scale well.
Cheers,
Doru
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi!
We worked on the arrow support in Roassal. Here is a screenshot:
<Screen Shot 2014-06-06 at 3.50.31 PM.png>
Cheers,
Alexandre
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7:16 p.m.
Hi!
I personally do not often face the need. Actually, I seldom use arrow. I gave a try, but I
need your feedback.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| v e1 e2 line |
v := RTView new.
e1 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color blue alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e2 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color red alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e1 @ RTDraggable.
e2 @ RTDraggable.
v add: e1; add: e2.
line := RTArrow new color: Color red.
line withOffsetIfMultiple.
v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e1).
RTCircleLayout on: { e1 . e2 }.
v
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| v e1 e2 e3 e4 line |
v := RTView new.
e1 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color blue alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e2 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color red alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e3 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color yellow alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e4 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color green alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e1 @ RTDraggable.
e2 @ RTDraggable.
e3 @ RTDraggable.
e4 @ RTDraggable.
v add: e1; add: e2; add: e3; add: e4.
line := RTArrow new color: Color red.
line withOffsetIfMultiple.
v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e1).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e3 to: e4).
RTCircleLayout on: { e1 . e2 . e3 . e4 }.
v
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Example have been added
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Nice.
Did you consider implementing the arrows implemented in Softwarenaut and Quicksilver? The
idea is to have them from center to center and a bit shifted to have edges in both
directions visible. They also start being drawn not quite from the edge of the shape but
with a little gap. They are pretty nice and scale well.
Cheers,
Doru
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi!
We worked on the arrow support in Roassal. Here is a screenshot:
<Screen Shot 2014-06-06 at 3.50.31 PM.png>
Cheers,
Alexandre
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8:48 p.m.
That looks cool. :-) Some feedback:
- int the first example, the position of the lines with respect to the red dot is strange.
The dot should be lower I think.
- in the last example, why is the arrow offset between yellow and green? There is only one
arrow so there is no need for offsets.
- what happens with labels on arrows? Have you tried that?
On Jun 8, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi!
I personally do not often face the need. Actually, I seldom use arrow. I gave a try, but
I need your feedback.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| v e1 e2 line |
v := RTView new.
e1 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color blue alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e2 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color red alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e1 @ RTDraggable.
e2 @ RTDraggable.
v add: e1; add: e2.
line := RTArrow new color: Color red.
line withOffsetIfMultiple.
v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e1).
RTCircleLayout on: { e1 . e2 }.
v
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
<Screen Shot 2014-06-08 at 1.12.35 PM.png>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| v e1 e2 e3 e4 line |
v := RTView new.
e1 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color blue alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e2 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color red alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e3 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color yellow alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e4 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color green alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e1 @ RTDraggable.
e2 @ RTDraggable.
e3 @ RTDraggable.
e4 @ RTDraggable.
v add: e1; add: e2; add: e3; add: e4.
line := RTArrow new color: Color red.
line withOffsetIfMultiple.
v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e1).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e3 to: e4).
RTCircleLayout on: { e1 . e2 . e3 . e4 }.
v
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
<Screen Shot 2014-06-08 at 1.12.47 PM.png>
Example have been added
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Nice.
Did you consider implementing the arrows implemented in Softwarenaut and Quicksilver? The
idea is to have them from center to center and a bit shifted to have edges in both
directions visible. They also start being drawn not quite from the edge of the shape but
with a little gap. They are pretty nice and scale well.
Cheers,
Doru
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi!
We worked on the arrow support in Roassal. Here is a screenshot:
<Screen Shot 2014-06-06 at 3.50.31 PM.png>
Cheers,
Alexandre
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10 p.m.
- int the first example, the position of the lines
with respect to the red dot is strange. The dot should be lower I think.
yes…
- in the last example, why is the arrow offset between
yellow and green? There is only one arrow so there is no need for offsets.
There is no offset between yellow and green I think. This effect is the result of the
shortest distance algo I think
- what happens with labels on arrows? Have you tried
that?
I haven’t tried :-)
Alexandre
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Hi!
I personally do not often face the need. Actually, I seldom use arrow. I gave a try, but
I need your feedback.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| v e1 e2 line |
v := RTView new.
e1 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color blue alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e2 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color red alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e1 @ RTDraggable.
e2 @ RTDraggable.
v add: e1; add: e2.
line := RTArrow new color: Color red.
line withOffsetIfMultiple.
v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e1).
RTCircleLayout on: { e1 . e2 }.
v
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
<Screen Shot 2014-06-08 at 1.12.35 PM.png>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| v e1 e2 e3 e4 line |
v := RTView new.
e1 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color blue alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e2 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color red alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e3 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color yellow alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e4 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color green alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
e1 @ RTDraggable.
e2 @ RTDraggable.
e3 @ RTDraggable.
e4 @ RTDraggable.
v add: e1; add: e2; add: e3; add: e4.
line := RTArrow new color: Color red.
line withOffsetIfMultiple.
v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e1).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e2).
v add: (line edgeFrom: e3 to: e4).
RTCircleLayout on: { e1 . e2 . e3 . e4 }.
v
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
<Screen Shot 2014-06-08 at 1.12.47 PM.png>
Example have been added
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Did you consider implementing the arrows implemented in Softwarenaut and Quicksilver? The
idea is to have them from center to center and a bit shifted to have edges in both
directions visible. They also start being drawn not quite from the edge of the shape but
with a little gap. They are pretty nice and scale well.
Cheers,
Doru
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi!
We worked on the arrow support in Roassal. Here is a screenshot:
<Screen Shot 2014-06-06 at 3.50.31 PM.png>
Cheers,
Alexandre
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On Jun 8, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
To come back on this, I don’t know if it is because of the shortest distance algorithm or
not, but it can get quite strange:
Same code as in your example (below), just dragged the yellow circle around a bit.
- in the last
example, why is the arrow offset between yellow and green? There is only one arrow so
there is no need for offsets.
There is no offset between yellow and green I think. This effect is the result of the
shortest distance algo I think > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> | v e1 e2 e3 e4 line |
> v := RTView new.
> e1 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color blue alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
> e2 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color red alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
> e3 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color yellow alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
> e4 := (RTEllipse new color: (Color green alpha: 0.4); size: 20) element.
> e1 @ RTDraggable.
> e2 @ RTDraggable.
> e3 @ RTDraggable.
> e4 @ RTDraggable.
>
> v add: e1; add: e2; add: e3; add: e4.
>
> line := RTArrow new color: Color red.
> line withOffsetIfMultiple.
> v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
> v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e1).
> v add: (line edgeFrom: e1 to: e2).
>
> v add: (line edgeFrom: e2 to: e2).
>
> v add: (line edgeFrom: e3 to: e4).
>
> RTCircleLayout on: { e1 . e2 . e3 . e4 }.
> v
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2:43 a.m.
Sadly, now the arrows don’t understand width: anymore. How can I set the width of an
arrow?
On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi!
We worked on the arrow support in Roassal. Here is a screenshot:
<Screen Shot 2014-06-06 at 3.50.31 PM.png>
Cheers,
Alexandre
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9:42 a.m.
An arrow is now a line and a head. So you need to specify the width of what you want to
change. If I remind well, it should be something like (with a being an arrow)
a line width:
or a head width:
Anne
Le 8 juin 2014 à 02:43, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> a écrit :
Sadly, now the arrows don’t understand width: anymore. How can I set the width of an
arrow?
On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi!
We worked on the arrow support in Roassal. Here is a screenshot:
<Screen Shot 2014-06-06 at 3.50.31 PM.png>
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Excellent, it works:
a line width: 2.
a head width: 2.
Thanks a lot!
On Jun 8, 2014, at 3:42 AM, Anne Etien <anne.etien(a)univ-lille1.fr> wrote:
An arrow is now a line and a head. So you need to
specify the width of what you want to change. If I remind well, it should be something
like (with a being an arrow)
a line width:
or a head width:
Anne
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> Sadly, now the arrows don’t understand width: anymore. How can I set the width of an
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