> Famix-SourceAnchor-tg.5, why sourceanchor is not integrated

> Moose-File-Alexandre_Bergel.9, <========= test and resources you mean not only test and resources but that with other domain code?

Thanks for this analysis Simon. We should restructure the tests. This is messy so far. Maybe something like: Moose-Core Moose-Test-Core Moose-Test-LAN Moose-File Moose-File-Test ... The seaside convention may be used here.

Alexandre On 23 Jul 2009, at 11:42, Simon Denier wrote: > I wonder if we could not refactor the dependencies between the > required packages in Moose-All. Because it starts to look like a > big ball of mud. Granted we will soon have the tools (with Jannik) > to get a better comprehension of that but here it is: > > Moose-all required packages: > > Moose-Core-jannik_laval.128, > Moose-GenericImporter-simon_denier.laval.26, > Moose-LAN-jannik_laval.8, <========= test and resources > Moose-SmalltalkImporter-jannik_laval.ducasse.58, > Moose-ModelTest-simon_denier.26, <========= test and resources > Moose-ConformityStrategies-simon_denier.9, > Famix-Core-Alexandre_Bergel.84, > Famix-Implementation-simon_denier.37, > Famix-Smalltalk-simon_denier.23, > Famix-File-Alexandre_Bergel.15, > EMOF-stephane.ducasse.1, <======= this one should be removed > Moose-Test-PackageTwo-simon_denier.ducasse.3, <========= test and > resources > Moose-ReferenceModel-stephane_ducasse.ducasse.15, <========= test > and resources > Moose-Test-PackageOne-stephane.ducasse.2, <========= test and > resources > Famix-SmalltalkImporter-simon_denier.81, > Famix-LANTests-simon_denier.ducasse.22, <========= test and > resources > CollectionExtensions-simon_denier.14, > Famix-Extensions-simon_denier.42, > Moose-File-Alexandre_Bergel.9, <========= test and resources > Moose-CookFamix3-simon_denier.18, > Moose-OBBrowser-simon_denier.50, > Moose-MondrianScripts-simon_denier.32, <==== require > MondrianExtensions and Mondrian > Moose-Hismo-simon_denier.12, > Famix-Test-simon_denier.4, <========= test and resources > Famix-SourceAnchor-tg.5, > Moose-MonticelloImporter-Alexandre_Bergel.7, > Moose-Finder-tg.28, <========= needs Glamour project > > Moose also needs (but does not 'require') Fame project, Nile, > Smacc, RB, Omnibrowser, RIO for some extensions, and perhaps other > things we are not really aware of... > This is a lot... > > In line with the current effort to better the MooseLoader, here is > my proposal for refactoring moose dependencies. > I distinguish between: > - external dependencies to external projects (Fame, Mondrian, > Glamour...) - managed by MooseLoader load scripts > - internal dependencies aka required packages for a single project > - managed by Monticello internal mechanisms > - hidden dependencies, which should be removed as soon as > identified :) > > > *Moose-Basic* > The goal is to have a minimal footprint moose image, for performing > batch operations, importing big projects, exporting big MSE, etc, > without relying on a browser. > It can also serve as a basis for people who want to customize their > moose image (like Jannik or I do, loading DSM after loading moose...) > > external: Nile, Fame, Smacc (to be removed?), RBSmallDictionary > > internal: > Moose-Core-jannik_laval.128, > Moose-GenericImporter-simon_denier.laval.26, > Moose-SmalltalkImporter-jannik_laval.ducasse.58, > Moose-ConformityStrategies-simon_denier.9, > Famix-Core-Alexandre_Bergel.84, > Famix-Implementation-simon_denier.37, > Famix-Smalltalk-simon_denier.23, > Famix-SmalltalkImporter-simon_denier.81, > CollectionExtensions-simon_denier.14, > Famix-Extensions-simon_denier.42, > Famix-SourceAnchor-tg.5, > > borderline: > Famix-File-Alexandre_Bergel.15, > Moose-CookFamix3-simon_denier.18, > > > *Moose-Basic-Tests* (actually tests and resources package require a > refactoring of their own, as some are tangled and others are rather > empty) > internal: > Moose-Basic > Moose-LAN-jannik_laval.8, <========= test and resources > Moose-ModelTest-simon_denier.26, <========= test and resources > Moose-Test-PackageTwo-simon_denier.ducasse.3, <========= test and > resources > Moose-ReferenceModel-stephane_ducasse.ducasse.15, <========= test > and resources > Moose-Test-PackageOne-stephane.ducasse.2, <========= test and > resources > Famix-LANTests-simon_denier.ducasse.22, <========= test and > resources > Moose-File-Alexandre_Bergel.9, <========= test and resources > Famix-Test-simon_denier.4, <========= test and resources > > > *Moose-All* > A complete distribution of Moose-related stable things for most > usage. > external: Mondrian, Glamour, Omnibrowser (at least for know), RIO... > internal: > Moose-Basic > (Moose-Basic-Tests) > Moose-OBBrowser-simon_denier.50, > Moose-MondrianScripts-simon_denier.32, <==== require > MondrianExtensions and Mondrian > Moose-Hismo-simon_denier.12, > Moose-MonticelloImporter-Alexandre_Bergel.7, > Moose-Finder-tg.28, <========= needs Glamour project > > > Anyone has something to say? > > -- > Simon > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Hi, I am completely in favor of dealing with the packages. I just disagree a bit with the strategy :). I believe that a package that includes other packages does not really scale with the current tool support. Until the tool support is there, we are much better off with using just scripts that load all the needed parts. From another point of view, I know it is a bit difficult to always load the complete Moose but splitting the image will just lead to pains when it will come to reporting issues due to different configurations and due to the community being not so large at the moment. As I announced before I started to work on a Moose release. I am still waiting for people to join if they want :). This can be a starting point for people to build on. Ideally we could get one in about 2 weeks time. Not a perfect one, but a working one. And then we build on that. This release will always be loadable on a Pharo- Core with MooseLoader load. Of course, if people have very specific needs, we can provide scripts for that, but I would not want to have everyone use a different configuration. This will also put pressure on the main release to be small and not have redundancies. This process worked quite well in the VW version. Cheers, Doru On 23 Jul 2009, at 17:42, Simon Denier wrote: > I wonder if we could not refactor the dependencies between the > required packages in Moose-All. Because it starts to look like a > big ball of mud. Granted we will soon have the tools (with Jannik) > to get a better comprehension of that but here it is: > > Moose-all required packages: > > Moose-Core-jannik_laval.128, > Moose-GenericImporter-simon_denier.laval.26, > Moose-LAN-jannik_laval.8, <========= test and resources > Moose-SmalltalkImporter-jannik_laval.ducasse.58, > Moose-ModelTest-simon_denier.26, <========= test and resources > Moose-ConformityStrategies-simon_denier.9, > Famix-Core-Alexandre_Bergel.84, > Famix-Implementation-simon_denier.37, > Famix-Smalltalk-simon_denier.23, > Famix-File-Alexandre_Bergel.15, > EMOF-stephane.ducasse.1, <======= this one should be removed > Moose-Test-PackageTwo-simon_denier.ducasse.3, <========= test and > resources > Moose-ReferenceModel-stephane_ducasse.ducasse.15, <========= test > and resources > Moose-Test-PackageOne-stephane.ducasse.2, <========= test and > resources > Famix-SmalltalkImporter-simon_denier.81, > Famix-LANTests-simon_denier.ducasse.22, <========= test and > resources > CollectionExtensions-simon_denier.14, > Famix-Extensions-simon_denier.42, > Moose-File-Alexandre_Bergel.9, <========= test and resources > Moose-CookFamix3-simon_denier.18, > Moose-OBBrowser-simon_denier.50, > Moose-MondrianScripts-simon_denier.32, <==== require > MondrianExtensions and Mondrian > Moose-Hismo-simon_denier.12, > Famix-Test-simon_denier.4, <========= test and resources > Famix-SourceAnchor-tg.5, > Moose-MonticelloImporter-Alexandre_Bergel.7, > Moose-Finder-tg.28, <========= needs Glamour project > > Moose also needs (but does not 'require') Fame project, Nile, > Smacc, RB, Omnibrowser, RIO for some extensions, and perhaps other > things we are not really aware of... > This is a lot... > > In line with the current effort to better the MooseLoader, here is > my proposal for refactoring moose dependencies. > I distinguish between: > - external dependencies to external projects (Fame, Mondrian, > Glamour...) - managed by MooseLoader load scripts > - internal dependencies aka required packages for a single project > - managed by Monticello internal mechanisms > - hidden dependencies, which should be removed as soon as > identified :) > > > *Moose-Basic* > The goal is to have a minimal footprint moose image, for performing > batch operations, importing big projects, exporting big MSE, etc, > without relying on a browser. > It can also serve as a basis for people who want to customize their > moose image (like Jannik or I do, loading DSM after loading moose...) > > external: Nile, Fame, Smacc (to be removed?), RBSmallDictionary > > internal: > Moose-Core-jannik_laval.128, > Moose-GenericImporter-simon_denier.laval.26, > Moose-SmalltalkImporter-jannik_laval.ducasse.58, > Moose-ConformityStrategies-simon_denier.9, > Famix-Core-Alexandre_Bergel.84, > Famix-Implementation-simon_denier.37, > Famix-Smalltalk-simon_denier.23, > Famix-SmalltalkImporter-simon_denier.81, > CollectionExtensions-simon_denier.14, > Famix-Extensions-simon_denier.42, > Famix-SourceAnchor-tg.5, > > borderline: > Famix-File-Alexandre_Bergel.15, > Moose-CookFamix3-simon_denier.18, > > > *Moose-Basic-Tests* (actually tests and resources package require a > refactoring of their own, as some are tangled and others are rather > empty) > internal: > Moose-Basic > Moose-LAN-jannik_laval.8, <========= test and resources > Moose-ModelTest-simon_denier.26, <========= test and resources > Moose-Test-PackageTwo-simon_denier.ducasse.3, <========= test and > resources > Moose-ReferenceModel-stephane_ducasse.ducasse.15, <========= test > and resources > Moose-Test-PackageOne-stephane.ducasse.2, <========= test and > resources > Famix-LANTests-simon_denier.ducasse.22, <========= test and > resources > Moose-File-Alexandre_Bergel.9, <========= test and resources > Famix-Test-simon_denier.4, <========= test and resources > > > *Moose-All* > A complete distribution of Moose-related stable things for most > usage. > external: Mondrian, Glamour, Omnibrowser (at least for know), RIO... > internal: > Moose-Basic > (Moose-Basic-Tests) > Moose-OBBrowser-simon_denier.50, > Moose-MondrianScripts-simon_denier.32, <==== require > MondrianExtensions and Mondrian > Moose-Hismo-simon_denier.12, > Moose-MonticelloImporter-Alexandre_Bergel.7, > Moose-Finder-tg.28, <========= needs Glamour project > > > Anyone has something to say? > > -- > Simon > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "Some battles are better lost than fought." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev