26 Sep
2011
26 Sep
'11
9:32 a.m.
Hi,
When I load MSE files, I would like to know which kind of information is inside the file.
I think we should think about a solution.
Here is the problem:
- I can generate a mse file with a generic FAMIX model.
- I can generate a mse file with a model containing FAMIXEclipsePlugin entities
- I can also generate a mse file with mensana informations
When I use a new image, few weeks after, I do not remember the plugins I used. And it is
not possible to load the file. The problem is when the time of loading is more than 10
minutes and crash after 9 minutes, I am frustrated :)
I propose a solution and I would like to discuss about this problem.
I think that we could have a meta information that lists all type of entities in the mse
file (for example: (FAMIXClass, FAMIXMethod, FAMIXPackage...)). This information would be
checked before the importation and inform the developer if some classes are not present in
the system.
After that, we can imagine that the developer has the choice between installing the
classes or loading a partial model.
What are your opinions ?
---
Jannik Laval
26 Sep
26 Sep
1:30 p.m.
Just wondering, for which situation this happened ?
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 04:32, jannik.laval wrote:
Hi,
When I load MSE files, I would like to know which kind of information is inside the file.
I think we should think about a solution.
Here is the problem:
- I can generate a mse file with a generic FAMIX model.
- I can generate a mse file with a model containing FAMIXEclipsePlugin entities
- I can also generate a mse file with mensana informations
When I use a new image, few weeks after, I do not remember the plugins I used. And it is
not possible to load the file. The problem is when the time of loading is more than 10
minutes and crash after 9 minutes, I am frustrated :)
I propose a solution and I would like to discuss about this problem.
I think that we could have a meta information that lists all type of entities in the mse
file (for example: (FAMIXClass, FAMIXMethod, FAMIXPackage...)). This information would be
checked before the importation and inform the developer if some classes are not present in
the system.
After that, we can imagine that the developer has the choice between installing the
classes or loading a partial model.
What are your opinions ?
---
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1:38 p.m.
I have some mse files,
And some of them have FAMIXEclipsePlugins inside... but I don't remember which ones.
I see that only when I load them
Jannik
On Sep 26, 2011, at 13:30 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Just wondering, for which situation this happened ?
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 04:32, jannik.laval wrote:
---
Jannik Laval
Hi,
When I load MSE files, I would like to know which kind of information is inside the file.
I think we should think about a solution.
Here is the problem:
- I can generate a mse file with a generic FAMIX model.
- I can generate a mse file with a model containing FAMIXEclipsePlugin entities
- I can also generate a mse file with mensana informations
When I use a new image, few weeks after, I do not remember the plugins I used. And it is
not possible to load the file. The problem is when the time of loading is more than 10
minutes and crash after 9 minutes, I am frustrated :)
I propose a solution and I would like to discuss about this problem.
I think that we could have a meta information that lists all type of entities in the mse
file (for example: (FAMIXClass, FAMIXMethod, FAMIXPackage...)). This information would be
checked before the importation and inform the developer if some classes are not present in
the system.
After that, we can imagine that the developer has the choice between installing the
classes or loading a partial model.
What are your opinions ?
---
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2:25 p.m.
Maybe the MSE file needs a version in which it can be loaded or something.
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 08:38, jannik.laval wrote:
I have some mse files,
And some of them have FAMIXEclipsePlugins inside... but I don't remember which ones.
I see that only when I load them
Jannik
On Sep 26, 2011, at 13:30 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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Just wondering, for which situation this happened
?
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 04:32, jannik.laval wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi,
When I load MSE files, I would like to know which kind of information is inside the file.
I think we should think about a solution.
Here is the problem:
- I can generate a mse file with a generic FAMIX model.
- I can generate a mse file with a model containing FAMIXEclipsePlugin entities
- I can also generate a mse file with mensana informations
When I use a new image, few weeks after, I do not remember the plugins I used. And it is
not possible to load the file. The problem is when the time of loading is more than 10
minutes and crash after 9 minutes, I am frustrated :)
I propose a solution and I would like to discuss about this problem.
I think that we could have a meta information that lists all type of entities in the mse
file (for example: (FAMIXClass, FAMIXMethod, FAMIXPackage...)). This information would be
checked before the importation and inform the developer if some classes are not present in
the system.
After that, we can imagine that the developer has the choice between installing the
classes or loading a partial model.
What are your opinions ?
---
Jannik Laval
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2:32 p.m.
It is not really the same information,
But yes, we have to put this information too.
Jannik
On Sep 26, 2011, at 14:25 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Maybe the MSE file needs a version in which it can be
loaded or something.
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 08:38, jannik.laval wrote:
---
Jannik Laval
I have some mse files,
And some of them have FAMIXEclipsePlugins inside... but I don't remember which ones.
I see that only when I load them
Jannik
On Sep 26, 2011, at 13:30 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Just wondering, for which situation this happened
?
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 04:32, jannik.laval wrote:
---
Jannik Laval
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi,
When I load MSE files, I would like to know which kind of information is inside the file.
I think we should think about a solution.
Here is the problem:
- I can generate a mse file with a generic FAMIX model.
- I can generate a mse file with a model containing FAMIXEclipsePlugin entities
- I can also generate a mse file with mensana informations
When I use a new image, few weeks after, I do not remember the plugins I used. And it is
not possible to load the file. The problem is when the time of loading is more than 10
minutes and crash after 9 minutes, I am frustrated :)
I propose a solution and I would like to discuss about this problem.
I think that we could have a meta information that lists all type of entities in the mse
file (for example: (FAMIXClass, FAMIXMethod, FAMIXPackage...)). This information would be
checked before the importation and inform the developer if some classes are not present in
the system.
After that, we can imagine that the developer has the choice between installing the
classes or loading a partial model.
What are your opinions ?
---
Jannik Laval
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8:21 p.m.
Hi,
We have this problem since a while.
First, I cannot say how happy I am that we finally have the problem in practice :). That
it because this means that we finally have so many solutions for importing that we need
the next level :).
Now, of course, it would be nice to have some information in MSE, but until now at least,
we did not find an easy solution.
One thing we can do easily though is to build a smart analyzer that does not build the
meta-model, only traverses the header of entities to recover the types. Anyone would like
to take a shot at this? We should create an issue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 26 Sep 2011, at 14:32, jannik.laval wrote:
It is not really the same information,
But yes, we have to put this information too.
Jannik
On Sep 26, 2011, at 14:25 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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"Live like you mean it."
Maybe the MSE file needs a version in which it
can be loaded or something.
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 08:38, jannik.laval wrote:
---
Jannik Laval
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev I have some mse files,
And some of them have FAMIXEclipsePlugins inside... but I don't remember which ones.
I see that only when I load them
Jannik
On Sep 26, 2011, at 13:30 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Just wondering, for which situation this happened
?
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 04:32, jannik.laval wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When I load MSE files, I would like to know which kind of information is inside the
file. I think we should think about a solution.
> Here is the problem:
>
> - I can generate a mse file with a generic FAMIX model.
> - I can generate a mse file with a model containing FAMIXEclipsePlugin entities
> - I can also generate a mse file with mensana informations
>
> When I use a new image, few weeks after, I do not remember the plugins I used. And it
is not possible to load the file. The problem is when the time of loading is more than 10
minutes and crash after 9 minutes, I am frustrated :)
>
> I propose a solution and I would like to discuss about this problem.
> I think that we could have a meta information that lists all type of entities in the
mse file (for example: (FAMIXClass, FAMIXMethod, FAMIXPackage...)). This information would
be checked before the importation and inform the developer if some classes are not present
in the system.
> After that, we can imagine that the developer has the choice between installing the
classes or loading a partial model.
>
> What are your opinions ?
> ---
> Jannik Laval
>
>
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8:38 p.m.
in first version of moose we added on entity MooseModel that contained all the meta
information
the problem was that we had to pay attention at load time because each model would contain
one and when you load another
one you would get two.
Now we could create one only on save (but it sucks).
Or only the importers (AST dirven...) would have the responsibility to create such
entity.
and mse file importer would not.
Stef
On Sep 26, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
We have this problem since a while.
First, I cannot say how happy I am that we finally have the problem in practice :). That
it because this means that we finally have so many solutions for importing that we need
the next level :).
Now, of course, it would be nice to have some information in MSE, but until now at least,
we did not find an easy solution.
One thing we can do easily though is to build a smart analyzer that does not build the
meta-model, only traverses the header of entities to recover the types. Anyone would like
to take a shot at this? We should create an issue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 26 Sep 2011, at 14:32, jannik.laval wrote:
It is not really the same information,
But yes, we have to put this information too.
Jannik
On Sep 26, 2011, at 14:25 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Maybe the MSE file needs a version in which it
can be loaded or something.
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 08:38, jannik.laval wrote:
---
Jannik Laval
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev I have some mse files,
And some of them have FAMIXEclipsePlugins inside... but I don't remember which ones.
I see that only when I load them
Jannik
On Sep 26, 2011, at 13:30 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> Just wondering, for which situation this happened ?
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 26 Sep 2011, at 04:32, jannik.laval wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> When I load MSE files, I would like to know which kind of information is inside
the file. I think we should think about a solution.
>> Here is the problem:
>>
>> - I can generate a mse file with a generic FAMIX model.
>> - I can generate a mse file with a model containing FAMIXEclipsePlugin entities
>> - I can also generate a mse file with mensana informations
>>
>> When I use a new image, few weeks after, I do not remember the plugins I used.
And it is not possible to load the file. The problem is when the time of loading is more
than 10 minutes and crash after 9 minutes, I am frustrated :)
>>
>> I propose a solution and I would like to discuss about this problem.
>> I think that we could have a meta information that lists all type of entities in
the mse file (for example: (FAMIXClass, FAMIXMethod, FAMIXPackage...)). This information
would be checked before the importation and inform the developer if some classes are not
present in the system.
>> After that, we can imagine that the developer has the choice between installing
the classes or loading a partial model.
>>
>> What are your opinions ?
>> ---
>> Jannik Laval
>>
>>
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http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=713
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 15:21, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
We have this problem since a while.
First, I cannot say how happy I am that we finally have the problem in practice :). That
it because this means that we finally have so many solutions for importing that we need
the next level :).
Now, of course, it would be nice to have some information in MSE, but until now at least,
we did not find an easy solution.
One thing we can do easily though is to build a smart analyzer that does not build the
meta-model, only traverses the header of entities to recover the types. Anyone would like
to take a shot at this? We should create an issue.
Cheers,
Doru
On 26 Sep 2011, at 14:32, jannik.laval wrote:
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It is not really the same information,
But yes, we have to put this information too.
Jannik
On Sep 26, 2011, at 14:25 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Maybe the MSE file needs a version in which it
can be loaded or something.
Alexandre
On 26 Sep 2011, at 08:38, jannik.laval wrote:
---
Jannik Laval
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev I have some mse files,
And some of them have FAMIXEclipsePlugins inside... but I don't remember which ones.
I see that only when I load them
Jannik
On Sep 26, 2011, at 13:30 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> Just wondering, for which situation this happened ?
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 26 Sep 2011, at 04:32, jannik.laval wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> When I load MSE files, I would like to know which kind of information is inside
the file. I think we should think about a solution.
>> Here is the problem:
>>
>> - I can generate a mse file with a generic FAMIX model.
>> - I can generate a mse file with a model containing FAMIXEclipsePlugin entities
>> - I can also generate a mse file with mensana informations
>>
>> When I use a new image, few weeks after, I do not remember the plugins I used.
And it is not possible to load the file. The problem is when the time of loading is more
than 10 minutes and crash after 9 minutes, I am frustrated :)
>>
>> I propose a solution and I would like to discuss about this problem.
>> I think that we could have a meta information that lists all type of entities in
the mse file (for example: (FAMIXClass, FAMIXMethod, FAMIXPackage...)). This information
would be checked before the importation and inform the developer if some classes are not
present in the system.
>> After that, we can imagine that the developer has the choice between installing
the classes or loading a partial model.
>>
>> What are your opinions ?
>> ---
>> Jannik Laval
>>
>>
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