Since you think that I could be ranting for nothing.... and these ones are the ones that do not freeze my system of course.
ConfigurationOfFame ConfigurationOfAnnouncerCentricDebugger ConfigurationOfGTDebugger ConfigurationOfGToolkit ConfigurationOfGraphET ConfigurationOfHashTable ConfigurationOfGraphET2 ConfigurationOfGrease ConfigurationOfMagritte3 ConfigurationOfMerlin ConfigurationOfMetanool ConfigurationOfMooseAlgos ConfigurationOfNewDebugger ConfigurationOfPetitParser ConfigurationOfPetitSQLParser
Educate yourselves: read them to get a feel of the simple part of Moose.
Doru I do not know why I need the ignoreImage: but it was working before.
Stef
PS: why do we need artefact (GraphET2 uses it and NeoCSV to me this is wrong), XML, loaded into Moose by default
((ConfigurationOfGrease project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : linear load : 1.1.10 [ConfigurationOfGrease] load : Grease-Core-JohanBrichau.86 load : Grease-Pharo30-Core-pmm.15 load : Grease-Slime-JohanBrichau.27)
((ConfigurationOfHashTable project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : atomic load : 2.0 [ConfigurationOfHashTable] load : Hashtable-SergeStinckwich.32)
((ConfigurationOfGToolkit project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : atomic load : 0.12-baseline [ConfigurationOfGToolkit] load : GT-Metaceller-Stream load : GT-Metaceller-Model load : GT-Metaceller-Tests load : GT-Setup explicit load : AnnouncerCentricDebugger load : ConfigurationOfAnnouncerCentricDebugger-AndreiChis.8 atomic load : 0.3-baseline [ConfigurationOfAnnouncerCentricDebugger] explicit load : GTDebugger load : ConfigurationOfGTDebugger-AndreiChis.3 linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGTDebugger] explicit load : GTInspector load : ConfigurationOfGToolkit-TudorGirba.48 atomic load : 0.12-baseline [ConfigurationOfGToolkit] explicit load : DeepTraverser load : ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser-TudorGirba.1 atomic load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser] load : DeepTraverser explicit load : GlamourCore load : ConfigurationOfGlamour-TudorGirba.145 atomic load : 2.9-baseline [ConfigurationOfGlamour] load : Glamour-Announcements load : Glamour-Helpers load : Glamour-Core load : Glamour-Presentations load : Glamour-Browsers load : Glamour-Tests-Core load : Glamour-Tests-Resources explicit load : Roassal for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Roassal2 for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal2-AlexandreBergel.5 linear load : 1.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal2] load : Trachel load : Roassal2 load : Roassal2Spec explicit load : Graph-ET load : ConfigurationOfGraphET-TudorGirba.8 linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGraphET] load : Graph-ET explicit load : Roassal load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Spotlight2 load : ConfigurationOfSpotlight2-SeanDeNigris.2 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfSpotlight2] explicit load : ActiveTutor load : ConfigurationOfActiveTutor-SeanDeNigris.1 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfActiveTutor] load : ActiveTutor load : Spotlight2 load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer load : Glamour-Roassal2-Presentations load : Glamour-Roassal-Presentations load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic load : Glamour-Morphic-Pager explicit load : Rubric load : ConfigurationOfRubric-AndreiChis.3 atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfRubric] load : Rubric load : Glamour-Rubric-Presentations load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme load : CollectionExtensions load : Glamour-Tools load : Glamour-GraphET-Presentations load : Glamour-Examples load : GT-Inspector explicit load : NewDebugger load : ConfigurationOfNewDebugger-AndreiChis.8 atomic load : 0.3-baseline [ConfigurationOfNewDebugger] load : DebuggerActions load : DebuggerModel load : DebuggerFilters load : DebuggerExtensions load : GT-Debugger load : ACD-Model load : ACD-Glamour-Interface explicit load : DeepTraverser load : ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser-TudorGirba.1 atomic load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser] load : DeepTraverser explicit load : GlamourCore load : ConfigurationOfGlamour-TudorGirba.145 atomic load : 2.9-baseline [ConfigurationOfGlamour] load : Glamour-Announcements load : Glamour-Helpers load : Glamour-Core load : Glamour-Presentations load : Glamour-Browsers load : Glamour-Tests-Core load : Glamour-Tests-Resources explicit load : Roassal for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Roassal2 for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal2-AlexandreBergel.5 linear load : 1.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal2] load : Trachel load : Roassal2 load : Roassal2Spec explicit load : Graph-ET load : ConfigurationOfGraphET-TudorGirba.8 linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGraphET] load : Graph-ET explicit load : Roassal load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Spotlight2 load : ConfigurationOfSpotlight2-SeanDeNigris.2 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfSpotlight2] explicit load : ActiveTutor load : ConfigurationOfActiveTutor-SeanDeNigris.1 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfActiveTutor] load : ActiveTutor load : Spotlight2 load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer load : Glamour-Roassal2-Presentations load : Glamour-Roassal-Presentations load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic load : Glamour-Morphic-Pager explicit load : Rubric load : ConfigurationOfRubric-AndreiChis.3 atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfRubric] load : Rubric load : Glamour-Rubric-Presentations load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme load : CollectionExtensions load : Glamour-Tools load : Glamour-GraphET-Presentations load : Glamour-Examples load : GT-Tools load : GT-Tests-Inspector load : GT-Playground load : GT-Inspector load : GT-Metaceller-Glamour load : GT-InspectorExtensions-Core load : GT-Coder explicit load : PetitParser load : ConfigurationOfPetitParser-StephanEggermont.46 atomic load : 1.6-baseline [ConfigurationOfPetitParser] load : PetitParser load : PetitTests load : PetitAnalyzer load : PetitSmalltalk load : PetitCSV load : PetitJson load : PetitMSE load : PetitManifestMf load : PetitRegex load : PetitXml load : PetitXPath load : Factorial-Language explicit load : Glamour load : ConfigurationOfGlamour-TudorGirba.145 atomic load : 2.9-baseline [ConfigurationOfGlamour] load : Glamour-Announcements load : Glamour-Helpers load : Glamour-Core load : Glamour-Presentations load : Glamour-Browsers explicit load : Roassal for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Graph-ET load : ConfigurationOfGraphET-TudorGirba.8 linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGraphET] load : Graph-ET explicit load : Roassal load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Spotlight2 load : ConfigurationOfSpotlight2-SeanDeNigris.2 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfSpotlight2] explicit load : ActiveTutor load : ConfigurationOfActiveTutor-SeanDeNigris.1 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfActiveTutor] load : ActiveTutor load : Spotlight2 load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer load : Glamour-Roassal-Presentations load : Glamour-Morphic-Pager explicit load : Rubric load : ConfigurationOfRubric-AndreiChis.3 atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfRubric] load : Rubric load : Glamour-Rubric-Presentations load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme load : CollectionExtensions load : Glamour-Tools load : Glamour-GraphET-Presentations load : Glamour-Examples load : PetitGui explicit load : GTDebugger load : ConfigurationOfGTDebugger-AndreiChis.3 linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGTDebugger] explicit load : GTInspector load : ConfigurationOfGToolkit-TudorGirba.48 atomic load : 0.12-baseline [ConfigurationOfGToolkit] explicit load : DeepTraverser load : ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser-TudorGirba.1 atomic load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser] load : DeepTraverser explicit load : GlamourCore load : ConfigurationOfGlamour-TudorGirba.145 atomic load : 2.9-baseline [ConfigurationOfGlamour] load : Glamour-Announcements load : Glamour-Helpers load : Glamour-Core load : Glamour-Presentations load : Glamour-Browsers load : Glamour-Tests-Core load : Glamour-Tests-Resources explicit load : Roassal for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Roassal2 for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal2-AlexandreBergel.5 linear load : 1.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal2] load : Trachel load : Roassal2 load : Roassal2Spec explicit load : Graph-ET load : ConfigurationOfGraphET-TudorGirba.8 linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGraphET] load : Graph-ET explicit load : Roassal load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Spotlight2 load : ConfigurationOfSpotlight2-SeanDeNigris.2 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfSpotlight2] explicit load : ActiveTutor load : ConfigurationOfActiveTutor-SeanDeNigris.1 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfActiveTutor] load : ActiveTutor load : Spotlight2 load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer load : Glamour-Roassal2-Presentations load : Glamour-Roassal-Presentations load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic load : Glamour-Morphic-Pager explicit load : Rubric load : ConfigurationOfRubric-AndreiChis.3 atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfRubric] load : Rubric load : Glamour-Rubric-Presentations load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme load : CollectionExtensions load : Glamour-Tools load : Glamour-GraphET-Presentations load : Glamour-Examples load : GT-Inspector explicit load : NewDebugger load : ConfigurationOfNewDebugger-AndreiChis.8 atomic load : 0.3-baseline [ConfigurationOfNewDebugger] load : DebuggerActions load : DebuggerModel load : DebuggerFilters load : DebuggerExtensions load : GT-Debugger load : GT-SUnitDebugger load : GT-PetitParserDebugger load : GT-GlamourDebugger)
((ConfigurationOfGlamour project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record)
a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : linear load : 2.9-baseline [ConfigurationOfGlamour] load : ConfigurationOfMagritte3 atomic load : 2.9-baseline [ConfigurationOfGlamour] load : Glamour-Announcements load : Glamour-Helpers load : Glamour-Core load : Glamour-Presentations load : Glamour-Browsers load : Glamour-Tests-Core load : Glamour-Tests-Resources explicit load : Roassal for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Roassal2 for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal2-AlexandreBergel.5 linear load : 1.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal2] load : Trachel load : Roassal2 load : Roassal2Spec explicit load : Graph-ET load : ConfigurationOfGraphET-TudorGirba.8 linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGraphET] load : Graph-ET explicit load : Roassal load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Graph-ET2 load : ConfigurationOfGraphET2-PabloEstefo.26 linear load : 0.1 [ConfigurationOfGraphET2] explicit load : Roassal2 load : ConfigurationOfRoassal2-AlexandreBergel.5 linear load : 1.0 [ConfigurationOfRoassal2] load : Trachel load : Roassal2 explicit load : RoassalPdfExporter2 load : ConfigurationOfRoassalPdfExporter2-PabloEstefo.18 linear load : 1.0 [ConfigurationOfRoassalPdfExporter2] explicit load : Artefact load : ConfigurationOfArtefact-OlivierAuverlot.14 linear load : 1.3 [ConfigurationOfArtefact] load : ConfigurationOfUnits linear load : 1.3 [ConfigurationOfArtefact] explicit load : Units load : ConfigurationOfUnits-GuillaumeLarcheveque.11 linear load : 1.2 [ConfigurationOfUnits] load : Units-Core-GuillaumeLarcheveque.5 load : Units-Tests-GuillaumeLarcheveque.2 load : Artefact-Core-OlivierAuverlot.249 load : Artefact-Tests-OlivierAuverlot.2 load : Artefact-Examples-OlivierAuverlot.2 load : RoassalPdfExporter2-PabloEstefo.36 explicit load : Neo load : ConfigurationOfNeoCSV-SvenVanCaekenberghe.12 linear load : 10 [ConfigurationOfNeoCSV] load : Neo-CSV-Core-SvenVanCaekenberghe.16 load : Neo-CSV-Tests-SvenVanCaekenberghe.15 load : GraphET2-PabloEstefo.59 explicit load : Magritte3 load : ConfigurationOfMagritte3-DiegoLont.95 linear load : 3.1.4 [ConfigurationOfMagritte3] explicit load : Grease load : ConfigurationOfGrease-StephanEggermont.272 linear load : 1.1.9 [ConfigurationOfGrease] load : Grease-Core-JohanBrichau.86 load : Grease-Pharo30-Core-pmm.15 load : Magritte-Model-DiegoLont.450 load : Magritte-Pharo3-Model-DamienCassou.2 load : Magritte-Tests-Model-DiegoLont.38 load : Magritte-Tests-Pharo-Model-lr.4 load : Magritte-Morph-SeanDeNigris.84 load : Magritte-Pharo3-Model load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations explicit load : Spotlight2 load : ConfigurationOfSpotlight2-SeanDeNigris.2 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfSpotlight2] explicit load : ActiveTutor load : ConfigurationOfActiveTutor-SeanDeNigris.1 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfActiveTutor] load : ActiveTutor load : Spotlight2 load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer load : Glamour-Roassal2-Presentations load : Glamour-Roassal-Presentations load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic load : Glamour-Tests-Roassal load : Glamour-Morphic-Pager explicit load : Rubric load : ConfigurationOfRubric-AndreiChis.3 atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfRubric] load : Rubric load : Glamour-Rubric-Presentations load : Glamour-Tests-Rubric load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme load : CollectionExtensions load : Glamour-Tools load : Glamour-GraphET-Presentations load : Glamour-Examples)
((ConfigurationOfAnnouncerCentricDebugger project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : atomic load : 0.3-baseline [ConfigurationOfAnnouncerCentricDebugger] explicit load : GTDebugger load : ConfigurationOfGTDebugger-AndreiChis.3 linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGTDebugger] explicit load : GTInspector load : ConfigurationOfGToolkit-TudorGirba.48 atomic load : 0.12-baseline [ConfigurationOfGToolkit] explicit load : DeepTraverser load : ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser-TudorGirba.1 atomic load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser] load : DeepTraverser explicit load : GlamourCore load : ConfigurationOfGlamour-TudorGirba.145 atomic load : 2.9-baseline [ConfigurationOfGlamour] load : Glamour-Announcements load : Glamour-Helpers load : Glamour-Core load : Glamour-Presentations load : Glamour-Browsers load : Glamour-Tests-Core load : Glamour-Tests-Resources explicit load : Roassal for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Roassal2 for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal2-AlexandreBergel.5 linear load : 1.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal2] load : Trachel load : Roassal2 load : Roassal2Spec explicit load : Graph-ET load : ConfigurationOfGraphET-TudorGirba.8 linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGraphET] load : Graph-ET explicit load : Roassal load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Spotlight2 load : ConfigurationOfSpotlight2-SeanDeNigris.2 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfSpotlight2] explicit load : ActiveTutor load : ConfigurationOfActiveTutor-SeanDeNigris.1 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfActiveTutor] load : ActiveTutor load : Spotlight2 load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer load : Glamour-Roassal2-Presentations load : Glamour-Roassal-Presentations load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic load : Glamour-Morphic-Pager explicit load : Rubric load : ConfigurationOfRubric-AndreiChis.3 atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfRubric] load : Rubric load : Glamour-Rubric-Presentations load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme load : CollectionExtensions load : Glamour-Tools load : Glamour-GraphET-Presentations load : Glamour-Examples load : GT-Inspector explicit load : NewDebugger load : ConfigurationOfNewDebugger-AndreiChis.8 atomic load : 0.3-baseline [ConfigurationOfNewDebugger] load : DebuggerActions load : DebuggerModel load : DebuggerFilters load : DebuggerExtensions load : GT-Debugger load : ACD-Model load : ACD-Glamour-Interface)
((ConfigurationOfEyeSee project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : linear load : 1.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfEyeSee] load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80 atomic load : 1.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfEyeSee] load : EyeSee-Events load : EyeSee-Axis load : EyeSee-Tests-Core load : EyeSee-Support explicit load : ShapeST80 load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80-TudorGirba.8 linear load : 1.2 [ConfigurationOfShapeST80] load : ShapeST80-TudorGirba.2 load : EyeSee-Core)
((ConfigurationOfFame project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : atomic load : 1.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfFame] explicit load : HashTable load : ConfigurationOfHashTable-SergeStinckwich.10 atomic load : 2.0 [ConfigurationOfHashTable] load : Hashtable-SergeStinckwich.32 explicit load : Phexample load : ConfigurationOfPhexample-StefanMarr.9 linear load : 1.2 [ConfigurationOfPhexample] load : Phexample-StefanMarr.70 load : Fame-Core load : Fame-Util load : Fame-ImportExport load : Fame-SmalltalkBinding load : Fame-Example load : Fame-Tests-Core)
((ConfigurationOfGTDebugger project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGTDebugger] explicit load : GTInspector load : ConfigurationOfGToolkit-TudorGirba.48 atomic load : 0.12-baseline [ConfigurationOfGToolkit] explicit load : DeepTraverser load : ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser-TudorGirba.1 atomic load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser] load : DeepTraverser explicit load : GlamourCore load : ConfigurationOfGlamour-TudorGirba.145 atomic load : 2.9-baseline [ConfigurationOfGlamour] load : Glamour-Announcements load : Glamour-Helpers load : Glamour-Core load : Glamour-Presentations load : Glamour-Browsers load : Glamour-Tests-Core load : Glamour-Tests-Resources explicit load : Roassal for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Roassal2 for Glamour load : ConfigurationOfRoassal2-AlexandreBergel.5 linear load : 1.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal2] load : Trachel load : Roassal2 load : Roassal2Spec explicit load : Graph-ET load : ConfigurationOfGraphET-TudorGirba.8 linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGraphET] load : Graph-ET explicit load : Roassal load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens explicit load : Spotlight2 load : ConfigurationOfSpotlight2-SeanDeNigris.2 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfSpotlight2] explicit load : ActiveTutor load : ConfigurationOfActiveTutor-SeanDeNigris.1 linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfActiveTutor] load : ActiveTutor load : Spotlight2 load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer load : Glamour-Roassal2-Presentations load : Glamour-Roassal-Presentations load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic load : Glamour-Morphic-Pager explicit load : Rubric load : ConfigurationOfRubric-AndreiChis.3 atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfRubric] load : Rubric load : Glamour-Rubric-Presentations load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme load : CollectionExtensions load : Glamour-Tools load : Glamour-GraphET-Presentations load : Glamour-Examples load : GT-Inspector explicit load : NewDebugger load : ConfigurationOfNewDebugger-AndreiChis.8 atomic load : 0.3-baseline [ConfigurationOfNewDebugger] load : DebuggerActions load : DebuggerModel load : DebuggerFilters load : DebuggerExtensions load : GT-Debugger)
((ConfigurationOfGraphET project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : linear load : 0.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfGraphET] load : Graph-ET explicit load : Roassal load : ConfigurationOfRoassal-AlexandreBergel.1194 linear load : 0.7-baseline [ConfigurationOfRoassal] load : Roassal load : RoassalMorphic load : RoassalExtras load : RoassalAthens)
((ConfigurationOfGraphET2 project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : linear load : 0.1 [ConfigurationOfGraphET2] explicit load : Roassal2 load : ConfigurationOfRoassal2-AlexandreBergel.5 linear load : 1.0 [ConfigurationOfRoassal2] load : Trachel load : Roassal2 explicit load : RoassalPdfExporter2 load : ConfigurationOfRoassalPdfExporter2-PabloEstefo.18 linear load : 1.0 [ConfigurationOfRoassalPdfExporter2] explicit load : Artefact load : ConfigurationOfArtefact-OlivierAuverlot.14 linear load : 1.3 [ConfigurationOfArtefact] load : ConfigurationOfUnits linear load : 1.3 [ConfigurationOfArtefact] explicit load : Units load : ConfigurationOfUnits-GuillaumeLarcheveque.11 linear load : 1.2 [ConfigurationOfUnits] load : Units-Core-GuillaumeLarcheveque.5 load : Units-Tests-GuillaumeLarcheveque.2 load : Artefact-Core-OlivierAuverlot.249 load : Artefact-Tests-OlivierAuverlot.2 load : Artefact-Examples-OlivierAuverlot.2 load : RoassalPdfExporter2-PabloEstefo.36 explicit load : Neo load : ConfigurationOfNeoCSV-SvenVanCaekenberghe.12 linear load : 10 [ConfigurationOfNeoCSV] load : Neo-CSV-Core-SvenVanCaekenberghe.16 load : Neo-CSV-Tests-SvenVanCaekenberghe.15 load : GraphET2-PabloEstefo.59)
((ConfigurationOfMetanool project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : linear load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfMetanool] load : ConfigurationOfMagritte3 atomic load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfMetanool] explicit load : Magritte3 load : ConfigurationOfMagritte3-DiegoLont.95 linear load : 3.1.4 [ConfigurationOfMagritte3] explicit load : Grease load : ConfigurationOfGrease-StephanEggermont.272 linear load : 1.1.9 [ConfigurationOfGrease] load : Grease-Core-JohanBrichau.86 load : Grease-Pharo30-Core-pmm.15 load : Magritte-Model-DiegoLont.450 load : Magritte-Pharo3-Model-DamienCassou.2 load : Magritte-Tests-Model-DiegoLont.38 load : Magritte-Tests-Pharo-Model-lr.4 load : Magritte-Morph-SeanDeNigris.84 explicit load : Fame load : ConfigurationOfFame-SergeStinckwich.25 atomic load : 1.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfFame] explicit load : HashTable load : ConfigurationOfHashTable-SergeStinckwich.10 atomic load : 2.0 [ConfigurationOfHashTable] load : Hashtable-SergeStinckwich.32 explicit load : Phexample load : ConfigurationOfPhexample-StefanMarr.9 linear load : 1.2 [ConfigurationOfPhexample] load : Phexample-StefanMarr.70 load : Fame-Core load : Fame-Util load : Fame-ImportExport load : Fame-SmalltalkBinding load : Fame-Example load : Fame-Tests-Core load : Metanool-Core load : Metanool-Tests-Core)
((ConfigurationOfMagritte3 project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : linear load : 3.1.4 [ConfigurationOfMagritte3] explicit load : Grease load : ConfigurationOfGrease-StephanEggermont.272 linear load : 1.1.9 [ConfigurationOfGrease] load : Grease-Core-JohanBrichau.86 load : Grease-Pharo30-Core-pmm.15 load : Magritte-Model-DiegoLont.450 load : Magritte-Pharo3-Model-DamienCassou.2)
((ConfigurationOfMerlin project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : linear load : 1.1-baseline [ConfigurationOfMerlin] load : Merlin)
((ConfigurationOfMooseAlgos project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : atomic load : 2.5-baseline [ConfigurationOfMooseAlgos] load : Moose-Algos-Graph load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Graph load : Moose-Algos-HierarchicalGraph load : Moose-Tests-Algos-HierarchicalGraph load : Moose-Tests-Algos-InformationRetrieval load : Moose-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis load : Moose-Tests-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis load : Moose-Algos-Lattice load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Lattice load : Moose-Algos-LinearAlgebra load : Moose-Tests-Algos-LinearAlgebra load : Moose-Algos-Clustering load : Moose-Algos-InformationRetrieval load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Clustering load : Moose-Algos-Kontractor load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Kontractor explicit load : DeepTraverser load : ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser-TudorGirba.1 atomic load : 1.0-baseline [ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser] load : DeepTraverser load : Moose-Algos-GraphObjectTraverser load : CollectionExtensions)
((ConfigurationOfNewDebugger project version: #development) ignoreImage: true; record) a MetacelloNullRecordingMCSpecLoader(linear load : atomic load : 0.3-baseline [ConfigurationOfNewDebugger] load : DebuggerActions load : DebuggerModel load : DebuggerFilters load : Spec-Debugger)
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Because if I do something like: GET2ApplicationExamples new examplePopulationAndArea
I want to be able to export this very cool graph as a PDF by clicking on export. It is rare when I use GraphET without exporting to PDF.
Alexandre
Because if I do something like: GET2ApplicationExamples new examplePopulationAndArea
I want to be able to export this very cool graph as a PDF by clicking on export. It is rare when I use GraphET without exporting to PDF.
but it could be packaged (I mean validated, certified and tested to work with the latest version of X, Z, K) as GETPDF and you load it just when you export.
I think sadly that the image is killing our mind. You do not load all the Java libraries because you could use them.
I think that you do not understand what I mean when I say that images are not software artefacts. Images are cool wonderfully gorgeous cache. Stef
Alex
next time you will be buying stuff in a supermarket you will think about me because you will not buy all the goods in all the rows, Just the one you think you will eat and this is the same with Moose. Why we cannot load XML parser when needed. Because JSON, SVG, XML.... and output depends on the scenario.
Stef
On 26/6/14 18:05, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Because if I do something like: GET2ApplicationExamples new examplePopulationAndArea
I want to be able to export this very cool graph as a PDF by clicking on export. It is rare when I use GraphET without exporting to PDF.
Alexandre
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On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:55 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr mailto:stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
PS: why do we need artefact (GraphET2 uses it and NeoCSV to me this is wrong), XML, loaded into Moose by default
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next time you will be buying stuff in a supermarket you will think about me because you will not buy all the goods in all the rows, Just the one you think you will eat and this is the same with Moose. Why we cannot load XML parser when needed. Because JSON, SVG, XML.... and output depends on the scenario.
I perfectly agree. Ideally, the image should be small, and support loading on demand. However, as fas as I know, there is no such infrastructure in Pharo. How can I load code only when it is needed? I cannot realistically rewrite expressive like
PDFPage new add: (PDFCircleElement new)
into: ((Smalltalk globals includesKey: #PDFPage) ifTrue: [ Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ] ifFalse: [ “Gofer invocation to load PDF Exporter” Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ]) new add: (Smalltalk at: #PDFCircleElement) new
That would be insane. Loading on demand is indeed important. Java does it pretty well, Pharo should do it too. But infrastructure (even a basic one) is needed for this.
Alexandre
Stef
On 26/6/14 18:05, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Because if I do something like: GET2ApplicationExamples new examplePopulationAndArea
I want to be able to export this very cool graph as a PDF by clicking on export. It is rare when I use GraphET without exporting to PDF.
Alexandre
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On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:55 AM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:
PS: why do we need artefact (GraphET2 uses it and NeoCSV to me this is wrong), XML, loaded into Moose by default
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We could do it by creating a stub class (PDFPage and/or PDFCircleElement in Alexander's example) with a special "new" that would first load the required package ?
nicolas
On 26/06/2014 21:50, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
next time you will be buying stuff in a supermarket you will think about me because you will not buy all the goods in all the rows, Just the one you think you will eat and this is the same with Moose. Why we cannot load XML parser when needed. Because JSON, SVG, XML.... and output depends on the scenario.
I perfectly agree. Ideally, the image should be small, and support loading on demand. However, as fas as I know, there is no such infrastructure in Pharo. How can I load code only when it is needed? I cannot realistically rewrite expressive like
PDFPage new add: (PDFCircleElement new)
into: ((Smalltalk globals includesKey: #PDFPage) ifTrue: [ Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ] ifFalse: [ "Gofer invocation to load PDF Exporter" Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ]) new add: (Smalltalk at: #PDFCircleElement) new
That would be insane. Loading on demand is indeed important. Java does it pretty well, Pharo should do it too. But infrastructure (even a basic one) is needed for this.
Alexandre
Stef
On 26/6/14 18:05, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Because if I do something like: GET2ApplicationExamples new examplePopulationAndArea
I want to be able to export this very cool graph as a PDF by clicking on export. It is rare when I use GraphET without exporting to PDF.
Alexandre
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On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:55 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr mailto:stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
PS: why do we need artefact (GraphET2 uses it and NeoCSV to me this is wrong), XML, loaded into Moose by default
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But this solve only partially the problem. How do you reference a class then? I cannot write Smalltalk at: #myclass all the time Another solution would be to put the code that does the exporting in a different package, but this is quite some work.
Alexandre
On 27 Jun 2014, at 04:32, Nicolas Anquetil nicolas.anquetil@inria.fr wrote:
We could do it by creating a stub class (PDFPage and/or PDFCircleElement in Alexander's example) with a special "new" that would first load the required package ?
nicolas
On 26/06/2014 21:50, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
next time you will be buying stuff in a supermarket you will think about me because you will not buy all the goods in all the rows, Just the one you think you will eat and this is the same with Moose. Why we cannot load XML parser when needed. Because JSON, SVG, XML.... and output depends on the scenario.
I perfectly agree. Ideally, the image should be small, and support loading on demand. However, as fas as I know, there is no such infrastructure in Pharo. How can I load code only when it is needed? I cannot realistically rewrite expressive like
PDFPage new add: (PDFCircleElement new)
into: ((Smalltalk globals includesKey: #PDFPage) ifTrue: [ Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ] ifFalse: [ “Gofer invocation to load PDF Exporter” Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ]) new add: (Smalltalk at: #PDFCircleElement) new
That would be insane. Loading on demand is indeed important. Java does it pretty well, Pharo should do it too. But infrastructure (even a basic one) is needed for this.
Alexandre
Stef
On 26/6/14 18:05, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Because if I do something like: GET2ApplicationExamples new examplePopulationAndArea
I want to be able to export this very cool graph as a PDF by clicking on export. It is rare when I use GraphET without exporting to PDF.
Alexandre
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On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:55 AM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:
PS: why do we need artefact (GraphET2 uses it and NeoCSV to me this is wrong), XML, loaded into Moose by default
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On 27/6/14 13:38, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
But this solve only partially the problem. How do you reference a class then? I cannot write Smalltalk at: #myclass all the time Another solution would be to put the code that does the exporting in a different package, but this is quite some work.
Sounds that you got the answer. Modularity is not magic but really important.
Stef
Alexandre
On 27 Jun 2014, at 04:32, Nicolas Anquetil <nicolas.anquetil@inria.fr mailto:nicolas.anquetil@inria.fr> wrote:
We could do it by creating a stub class (PDFPage and/or PDFCircleElement in Alexander's example) with a special "new" that would first load the required package ?
nicolas
On 26/06/2014 21:50, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
next time you will be buying stuff in a supermarket you will think about me because you will not buy all the goods in all the rows, Just the one you think you will eat and this is the same with Moose. Why we cannot load XML parser when needed. Because JSON, SVG, XML.... and output depends on the scenario.
I perfectly agree. Ideally, the image should be small, and support loading on demand. However, as fas as I know, there is no such infrastructure in Pharo. How can I load code only when it is needed? I cannot realistically rewrite expressive like
PDFPage new add: (PDFCircleElement new)
into: ((Smalltalk globals includesKey: #PDFPage) ifTrue: [ Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ] ifFalse: [ "Gofer invocation to load PDF Exporter" Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ]) new add: (Smalltalk at: #PDFCircleElement) new
That would be insane. Loading on demand is indeed important. Java does it pretty well, Pharo should do it too. But infrastructure (even a basic one) is needed for this.
Alexandre
Stef
On 26/6/14 18:05, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Because if I do something like: GET2ApplicationExamples new examplePopulationAndArea
I want to be able to export this very cool graph as a PDF by clicking on export. It is rare when I use GraphET without exporting to PDF.
Alexandre
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On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:55 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr mailto:stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
PS: why do we need artefact (GraphET2 uses it and NeoCSV to me this is wrong), XML, loaded into Moose by default
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Java has probably the best solution for this. As you soon as you need a class, it is automatically loaded in memory :-) User do not have to care about all this...
Alexandre
Do you think that you do not have to define dependencies? Don't be naive do you think that having bloated appliactions in Java is not the problems of DSI? It is. We met some of them in the context of synectique.
The solution is to think modular.
Stef
Java has probably the best solution for this. As you soon as you need a class, it is automatically loaded in memory :-) User do not have to care about all this...
Alexandre
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On Jun 27, 2014, at 5:04 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr mailto:stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
On 27/6/14 13:38, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
But this solve only partially the problem. How do you reference a class then? I cannot write Smalltalk at: #myclass all the time Another solution would be to put the code that does the exporting in a different package, but this is quite some work.
Sounds that you got the answer. Modularity is not magic but really important.
Stef
Alexandre
On 27 Jun 2014, at 04:32, Nicolas Anquetil <nicolas.anquetil@inria.fr mailto:nicolas.anquetil@inria.fr> wrote:
We could do it by creating a stub class (PDFPage and/or PDFCircleElement in Alexander's example) with a special "new" that would first load the required package ?
nicolas
On 26/06/2014 21:50, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
next time you will be buying stuff in a supermarket you will think about me because you will not buy all the goods in all the rows, Just the one you think you will eat and this is the same with Moose. Why we cannot load XML parser when needed. Because JSON, SVG, XML.... and output depends on the scenario.
I perfectly agree. Ideally, the image should be small, and support loading on demand. However, as fas as I know, there is no such infrastructure in Pharo. How can I load code only when it is needed? I cannot realistically rewrite expressive like
PDFPage new add: (PDFCircleElement new)
into: ((Smalltalk globals includesKey: #PDFPage) ifTrue: [ Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ] ifFalse: [ "Gofer invocation to load PDF Exporter" Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ]) new add: (Smalltalk at: #PDFCircleElement) new
That would be insane. Loading on demand is indeed important. Java does it pretty well, Pharo should do it too. But infrastructure (even a basic one) is needed for this.
Alexandre
Stef
On 26/6/14 18:05, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Because if I do something like: > GET2ApplicationExamples new examplePopulationAndArea > > I want to be able to export this very cool graph as a PDF by > clicking on export. It is rare when I use GraphET without > exporting to PDF. > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu http://www.bergel.eu/ > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:55 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr > mailto:stepharo@free.fr> wrote: > >> PS: why do we need artefact (GraphET2 uses it and NeoCSV to me >> this is wrong), XML, loaded into Moose by default > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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2014-06-27 8:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com:
But this solve only partially the problem. How do you reference a class then? I cannot write Smalltalk at: #myclass all the time Another solution would be to put the code that does the exporting in a different package, but this is quite some work.
Have you explored instructing the compiler to accept unloaded class names and then associate those names with a block which load the package?
Hernán
with such solution we will obtain bullshit.
This is the way squeak removed etoy: full of terrible case statements.
In vw you have bindings that are resolved when used but this is just one part of the story.
when you have a document and multiple outputer you should start to see how you can structure them in a way that your model is independant from the outputers.
Alex will feel the pain if one day he has to port GraphEt to VW and for some strange reason they want to use another frameworks than artefact or one of the used packages do not work in VW.
Good luck.
Now we can continue not to trust in modularity but we should not come back and cry when it will hurts because it will hurt.
Stef
2014-06-27 8:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>:
But this solve only partially the problem. How do you reference a class then? I cannot write Smalltalk at: #myclass all the time Another solution would be to put the code that does the exporting in a different package, but this is quite some work.Have you explored instructing the compiler to accept unloaded class names and then associate those names with a block which load the package?
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2014-06-28 4:24 GMT-03:00 stepharo stepharo@free.fr:
with such solution we will obtain bullshit.
You can insult proposals and ideas all around, but I saw Smalltalk/X does something like that, and you named the VW bindings, so it could be a good choice for Pharo if implemented correctly (with a state machine).
Sadly I cannot do it now :(
This would be a nice small project. But I am however not sure that i really want this behavior. It depends on the situation
Alexandre
On 28 Jun 2014, at 02:07, Hernán Morales Durand hernan.morales@gmail.com wrote:
2014-06-27 8:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com:
But this solve only partially the problem. How do you reference a class then? I cannot write Smalltalk at: #myclass all the time Another solution would be to put the code that does the exporting in a different package, but this is quite some work.
Have you explored instructing the compiler to accept unloaded class names and then associate those names with a block which load the package?
Hernán
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We could do it by creating a stub class (PDFPage and/or PDFCircleElement in Alexander's example) with a special "new" that would first load the required package ?
No
next time you will be buying stuff in a supermarket you will think about me because you will not buy all the goods in all the rows, Just the one you think you will eat and this is the same with Moose. Why we cannot load XML parser when needed. Because JSON, SVG, XML.... and output depends on the scenario.
I perfectly agree. Ideally, the image should be small, and support loading on demand. However, as fas as I know, there is no such infrastructure in Pharo. How can I load code only when it is needed? I cannot realistically rewrite expressive like
PDFPage new add: (PDFCircleElement new)
into: ((Smalltalk globals includesKey: #PDFPage) ifTrue: [ Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ] ifFalse: [ "Gofer invocation to load PDF Exporter" Smalltalk globals at: #PDFPage ]) new add: (Smalltalk at: #PDFCircleElement) new
No this would be ridiculous and it shows a problem of design. When I have a document that I want to export pdf, latex, rtf ... then I have a visitor and different visitors for each format!
That would be insane. Loading on demand is indeed important. Java does it pretty well, Pharo should do it too. But infrastructure (even a basic one) is needed for this.
This is orthogonal. You have a design problem. I think that this is a problem to have to load Artefact even if I never ever generate pdf.
Stef
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