Hi
we started to port package blueprint to pharo and apparently there is no ScatterPlotLayout in Mondrian in Pharo Is there a reason? What is the interface conformance between VW and pharo Mondrian? Stef
Hi Stef,
But, there is a MOScatterplotLayout. It's just that Alex decided to implement the layout differently by placing the x: and y: computation directly in the layout instead of allowing each node to define its position.
You can see examples of the two APIs at MOLayoutTest>>testScatterplotLayout and MOLayoutTest>>obsoleteTestScatterplot.
I actually think the current implementation is not a very good idea because you might have different kinds of nodes that should be placed based on different considerations.
In any case, unfortunately the current Mondrian is not fully compatible with the VW one, and there is no particular process to make it so.
Cheers, Doru
On 25 Nov 2009, at 11:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi
we started to port package blueprint to pharo and apparently there is no ScatterPlotLayout in Mondrian in Pharo Is there a reason? What is the interface conformance between VW and pharo Mondrian? Stef _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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So this means that we have to completely reimplement package blueprint :(
Stef
On Nov 25, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
But, there is a MOScatterplotLayout. It's just that Alex decided to implement the layout differently by placing the x: and y: computation directly in the layout instead of allowing each node to define its position.
You can see examples of the two APIs at MOLayoutTest>>testScatterplotLayout and MOLayoutTest>>obsoleteTestScatterplot.
I actually think the current implementation is not a very good idea because you might have different kinds of nodes that should be placed based on different considerations.
In any case, unfortunately the current Mondrian is not fully compatible with the VW one, and there is no particular process to make it so.
Cheers, Doru
On 25 Nov 2009, at 11:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi
we started to port package blueprint to pharo and apparently there is no ScatterPlotLayout in Mondrian in Pharo Is there a reason? What is the interface conformance between VW and pharo Mondrian? Stef _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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It would have been better to have in pharo two MOScatterPlot one backward and a new one this way you say to users yes we consider your investment.
Right now I do not have the cycles to work on package blueprint but I really want to use them. So sometimes we should be a bit more clever.
Stef
Hi Stef,
But, there is a MOScatterplotLayout. It's just that Alex decided to implement the layout differently by placing the x: and y: computation directly in the layout instead of allowing each node to define its position.
You can see examples of the two APIs at MOLayoutTest>>testScatterplotLayout and MOLayoutTest>>obsoleteTestScatterplot.
I actually think the current implementation is not a very good idea because you might have different kinds of nodes that should be placed based on different considerations.
In any case, unfortunately the current Mondrian is not fully compatible with the VW one, and there is no particular process to make it so.
Cheers, Doru
On 25 Nov 2009, at 11:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi
we started to port package blueprint to pharo and apparently there is no ScatterPlotLayout in Mondrian in Pharo Is there a reason? What is the interface conformance between VW and pharo Mondrian? Stef _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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Isnt the FormsBuilder exactly supposed to do that? Because fixing node position with scatterplotlayout feels like a hack to me.
So yes we have to reimplement package blueprint but it is also an occasion to cleanup/rewrite the code.
On 25 nov. 2009, at 08:18, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
But, there is a MOScatterplotLayout. It's just that Alex decided to implement the layout differently by placing the x: and y: computation directly in the layout instead of allowing each node to define its position.
You can see examples of the two APIs at MOLayoutTest>>testScatterplotLayout and MOLayoutTest>>obsoleteTestScatterplot.
I actually think the current implementation is not a very good idea because you might have different kinds of nodes that should be placed based on different considerations.
In any case, unfortunately the current Mondrian is not fully compatible with the VW one, and there is no particular process to make it so.
Cheers, Doru
On 25 Nov 2009, at 11:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi
we started to port package blueprint to pharo and apparently there is no ScatterPlotLayout in Mondrian in Pharo Is there a reason? What is the interface conformance between VW and pharo Mondrian? Stef _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Simon Denier wrote:
Isnt the FormsBuilder exactly supposed to do that? Because fixing node position with scatterplotlayout feels like a hack to me.
I'm confused Do you mean that the new scatterplot interface looks a hack?
So yes we have to reimplement package blueprint but it is also an occasion to cleanup/rewrite the code.
But this is a question of time. Give me infinite amount of time and this is not a problem
Stef
On 25 nov. 2009, at 08:18, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
But, there is a MOScatterplotLayout. It's just that Alex decided to implement the layout differently by placing the x: and y: computation directly in the layout instead of allowing each node to define its position.
You can see examples of the two APIs at MOLayoutTest>>testScatterplotLayout and MOLayoutTest>>obsoleteTestScatterplot.
I actually think the current implementation is not a very good idea because you might have different kinds of nodes that should be placed based on different considerations.
In any case, unfortunately the current Mondrian is not fully compatible with the VW one, and there is no particular process to make it so.
Cheers, Doru
On 25 Nov 2009, at 11:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi
we started to port package blueprint to pharo and apparently there is no ScatterPlotLayout in Mondrian in Pharo Is there a reason? What is the interface conformance between VW and pharo Mondrian? Stef _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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"Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."
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On 25 nov. 2009, at 16:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Simon Denier wrote:
Isnt the FormsBuilder exactly supposed to do that? Because fixing node position with scatterplotlayout feels like a hack to me.
I'm confused Do you mean that the new scatterplot interface looks a hack?
no the way it is done now in package blueprint, using scatterplotlayout.
So yes we have to reimplement package blueprint but it is also an occasion to cleanup/rewrite the code.
But this is a question of time. Give me infinite amount of time and this is not a problem
Stef
On 25 nov. 2009, at 08:18, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Stef,
But, there is a MOScatterplotLayout. It's just that Alex decided to implement the layout differently by placing the x: and y: computation directly in the layout instead of allowing each node to define its position.
You can see examples of the two APIs at MOLayoutTest>>testScatterplotLayout and MOLayoutTest>>obsoleteTestScatterplot.
I actually think the current implementation is not a very good idea because you might have different kinds of nodes that should be placed based on different considerations.
In any case, unfortunately the current Mondrian is not fully compatible with the VW one, and there is no particular process to make it so.
Cheers, Doru
On 25 Nov 2009, at 11:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi
we started to port package blueprint to pharo and apparently there is no ScatterPlotLayout in Mondrian in Pharo Is there a reason? What is the interface conformance between VW and pharo Mondrian? Stef _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."
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-- Simon
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