Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
I mean *not* Moose projects publications (projects derived from Moose), but those projects which uses Moose analysis to report Cyclomatic Complexity, Halstead Length, WMC, DIT, CBO, etc . I want to see what and how people reports metrics for a software project using Moose. If publication is in a Journal outside of the field of Software Engineering field that would be better.
Cheers,
Hernán
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hernan.morales@gmail.com');> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
The following publication is what got me back onto Moose (I had seen Moose in the past, but the lack of means to run smalltalk easily stopped me from pursuing it):
https://scholar.google.com.hk/citations?view_op=view_ citation&hl=en&citation_for_view=SgSSzKIAAAAJ:zYLM7Y9cAGgC
Thank you Cris, seems like I have been looking for.
Hernán
2016-10-06 1:38 GMT-03:00 Cris Fuhrman fuhrmanator@gmail.com:
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
The following publication is what got me back onto Moose (I had seen Moose in the past, but the lack of means to run smalltalk easily stopped me from pursuing it):
https://scholar.google.com.hk/citations?view_op=view_citatio n&hl=en&citation_for_view=SgSSzKIAAAAJ:zYLM7Y9cAGgC
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Hello,
Here it is another publication extracting metrics using Moose:
http://homepages.dcc.ufmg.br/~mtov/pub/2015_icsme_era.pdf http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7332511/?arnumber=7332511&tag=1
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Cris, seems like I have been looking for.
Hernán
2016-10-06 1:38 GMT-03:00 Cris Fuhrman fuhrmanator@gmail.com:
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
The following publication is what got me back onto Moose (I had seen Moose in the past, but the lack of means to run smalltalk easily stopped me from pursuing it):
https://scholar.google.com.hk/citations?view_op=view_citatio n&hl=en&citation_for_view=SgSSzKIAAAAJ:zYLM7Y9cAGgC
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Hi,
You can find a significant amount of papers here: http://scg.unibe.ch/scgbib?query=moose-pub
I guess these represent some 50-70% of the overall papers written around Moose.
Cheers, Doru
On Oct 6, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Andre Hora andrehoraa@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Here it is another publication extracting metrics using Moose:
http://homepages.dcc.ufmg.br/~mtov/pub/2015_icsme_era.pdf http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7332511/?arnumber=7332511&tag=1
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Hernán Morales Durand hernan.morales@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Cris, seems like I have been looking for.
Hernán
2016-10-06 1:38 GMT-03:00 Cris Fuhrman fuhrmanator@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand hernan.morales@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
The following publication is what got me back onto Moose (I had seen Moose in the past, but the lack of means to run smalltalk easily stopped me from pursuing it):
https://scholar.google.com.hk/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&...
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Thanks for the input everyone.
Hernán
2016-10-06 12:53 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba tudor@tudorgirba.com:
Hi,
You can find a significant amount of papers here: http://scg.unibe.ch/scgbib?query=moose-pub
I guess these represent some 50-70% of the overall papers written around Moose.
Cheers, Doru
On Oct 6, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Andre Hora andrehoraa@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Here it is another publication extracting metrics using Moose:
http://homepages.dcc.ufmg.br/~mtov/pub/2015_icsme_era.pdf http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7332511/?arnumber=7332511&tag=1
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <
hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Cris, seems like I have been looking for.
Hernán
2016-10-06 1:38 GMT-03:00 Cris Fuhrman fuhrmanator@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <
hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other
people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
The following publication is what got me back onto Moose (I had seen
Moose in the past, but the lack of means to run smalltalk easily stopped me from pursuing it):
citation&hl=en&citation_for_view=SgSSzKIAAAAJ:zYLM7Y9cAGgC
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Hi cris
Let us know if you need help to
install moose
get started with Pharo (because pharo is cooool)
Stef
Le 6/10/16 à 06:38, Cris Fuhrman a écrit :
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hernan.morales@gmail.com');> wrote:
Hi guys, Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?The following publication is what got me back onto Moose (I had seen Moose in the past, but the lack of means to run smalltalk easily stopped me from pursuing it):
https://scholar.google.com.hk/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&... https://scholar.google.com.hk/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&citation_for_view=SgSSzKIAAAAJ:zYLM7Y9cAGgC
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Hi Stef,
Installing moose was simple and I thoroughly enjoyed the demo of the moose book regarding ArgoUML (even if it was an older version of FAMIX). This got me totally hooked :-) Using Pharo as a language was easy with the *ProfSef go.* http://stackoverflow.com/a/14414221/1168342
But the "IDE" notion of the environment was/is not so intuitive. One big block was the process of creating classes/methods because I'm conditioned to seek a "new class" menu (à la Eclipse, Visual Studio, etc.) that simply does not exist in Pharo. It strangely exists for packages, which added to the confusion I think.
My personal experience ahead: For the longest time, I was just banging on experimental code in a playground (even finding the playground took me some time) -- I was savagely saving my images until I finally lost some work because the image got too big (didn't lose much work, but I realized my working method was not sustainable and I decided to hunker down with a tutorial). 4 months ago (or so) I totally got along with R's environment (with no experience at all) from nothing but using Google. I've embraced plenty of techs in the same lightweight way, MikTeX, LyX, JavaScript, Git, etc. I guess I felt like it is hard to "teach this old dog the new Pharo trick", despite these other successes. The language is beautiful and simple.
The tutorial I finally went (suffered?) through to create classes/methods was for an older version of Pharo environment. It didn't look like Pharo on my Windows 10 and I had to open my mind a lot more (than I'm used to) to finally bridge the gap. Still not comfortable with coding this way. I like to do versioning of code (this old dog started in MPW on a Mac, used CVS, SVN and now Git). For now, I'm probably not sure if I need it in Pharo/Moose.
Going to try to get some students working on this soon.
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 2:11 AM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:
Hi cris
Let us know if you need help to
install moose get started with Pharo (because pharo is cooool)Stef
Le 6/10/16 à 06:38, Cris Fuhrman a écrit :
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
The following publication is what got me back onto Moose (I had seen Moose in the past, but the lack of means to run smalltalk easily stopped me from pursuing it):
https://scholar.google.com.hk/citations?view_op=view_citatio n&hl=en&citation_for_view=SgSSzKIAAAAJ:zYLM7Y9cAGgC
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Welcome in the community Cris.
You should come to next ESUG conference. This a way to learn a lot about Pharo and MOOSE in a short period of time.
Regards
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 8 oct. 2016 à 19:25, Cris Fuhrman fuhrmanator@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi Stef,
Installing moose was simple and I thoroughly enjoyed the demo of the moose book regarding ArgoUML (even if it was an older version of FAMIX). This got me totally hooked :-) Using Pharo as a language was easy with the ProfSef go. http://stackoverflow.com/a/14414221/1168342
But the "IDE" notion of the environment was/is not so intuitive. One big block was the process of creating classes/methods because I'm conditioned to seek a "new class" menu (à la Eclipse, Visual Studio, etc.) that simply does not exist in Pharo. It strangely exists for packages, which added to the confusion I think.
My personal experience ahead: For the longest time, I was just banging on experimental code in a playground (even finding the playground took me some time) -- I was savagely saving my images until I finally lost some work because the image got too big (didn't lose much work, but I realized my working method was not sustainable and I decided to hunker down with a tutorial). 4 months ago (or so) I totally got along with R's environment (with no experience at all) from nothing but using Google. I've embraced plenty of techs in the same lightweight way, MikTeX, LyX, JavaScript, Git, etc. I guess I felt like it is hard to "teach this old dog the new Pharo trick", despite these other successes. The language is beautiful and simple.
The tutorial I finally went (suffered?) through to create classes/methods was for an older version of Pharo environment. It didn't look like Pharo on my Windows 10 and I had to open my mind a lot more (than I'm used to) to finally bridge the gap. Still not comfortable with coding this way. I like to do versioning of code (this old dog started in MPW on a Mac, used CVS, SVN and now Git). For now, I'm probably not sure if I need it in Pharo/Moose.
Going to try to get some students working on this soon.
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 2:11 AM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote: Hi cris
Let us know if you need help to install moose
get started with Pharo (because pharo is cooool)Stef
Le 6/10/16 à 06:38, Cris Fuhrman a écrit : On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand hernan.morales@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
The following publication is what got me back onto Moose (I had seen Moose in the past, but the lack of means to run smalltalk easily stopped me from pursuing it):
https://scholar.google.com.hk/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&...
Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev@list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev
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Did you look at the Mooc videos because I spent hours to make them and
they really explain well all that?
The lectures are also free so you can use them for lectures if you want (not talking about the cool
exercises :)
Since people like to know the values of things, this mooc was valued to 150000 Euros :)
Le 8/10/16 à 19:25, Cris Fuhrman a écrit :
Hi Stef,
Installing moose was simple and I thoroughly enjoyed the demo of the moose book regarding ArgoUML (even if it was an older version of FAMIX). This got me totally hooked :-) Using Pharo as a language was easy with the *ProfSef go.* http://stackoverflow.com/a/14414221/1168342
But the "IDE" notion of the environment was/is not so intuitive. One big block was the process of creating classes/methods because I'm conditioned to seek a "new class" menu (à la Eclipse, Visual Studio, etc.) that simply does not exist in Pharo. It strangely exists for packages, which added to the confusion I think.
My personal experience ahead: For the longest time, I was just banging on experimental code in a playground (even finding the playground took me some time) -- I was savagely saving my images until I finally lost some work because the image got too big (didn't lose much work, but I realized my working method was not sustainable and I decided to hunker down with a tutorial). 4 months ago (or so) I totally got along with R's environment (with no experience at all) from nothing but using Google. I've embraced plenty of techs in the same lightweight way, MikTeX, LyX, JavaScript, Git, etc. I guess I felt like it is hard to "teach this old dog the new Pharo trick", despite these other successes. The language is beautiful and simple.
The tutorial I finally went (suffered?) through to create classes/methods was for an older version of Pharo environment. It didn't look like Pharo on my Windows 10 and I had to open my mind a lot more (than I'm used to) to finally bridge the gap. Still not comfortable with coding this way. I like to do versioning of code (this old dog started in MPW on a Mac, used CVS, SVN and now Git). For now, I'm probably not sure if I need it in Pharo/Moose.
Going to try to get some students working on this soon.
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 2:11 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr mailto:stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
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Wow - didn't see the Mooc before (it's plugged heavily on Pharo.org but what about the Moose sites as well as that stackoverflow answer?).
The videos are a big help, especially since they are recent. Videos and image-heavy tutorials for environments have a big weakness - they break when the GUI evolves.
I am very much considering Moose/Pharo for my master's course this winter (mes cours sont en français).
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 2:08 PM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:
Did you look at the Mooc videos because I spent hours to make them and
they really explain well all that?
The lectures are also free so you can use them for lectures if you want (not talking about the cool
exercises :)
Since people like to know the values of things, this mooc was valued to 150000 Euros :)
Le 8/10/16 à 19:25, Cris Fuhrman a écrit :
Hi Stef,
Installing moose was simple and I thoroughly enjoyed the demo of the moose book regarding ArgoUML (even if it was an older version of FAMIX). This got me totally hooked :-) Using Pharo as a language was easy with the *ProfSef go.* http://stackoverflow.com/a/14414221/1168342
But the "IDE" notion of the environment was/is not so intuitive. One big block was the process of creating classes/methods because I'm conditioned to seek a "new class" menu (à la Eclipse, Visual Studio, etc.) that simply does not exist in Pharo. It strangely exists for packages, which added to the confusion I think.
My personal experience ahead: For the longest time, I was just banging on experimental code in a playground (even finding the playground took me some time) -- I was savagely saving my images until I finally lost some work because the image got too big (didn't lose much work, but I realized my working method was not sustainable and I decided to hunker down with a tutorial). 4 months ago (or so) I totally got along with R's environment (with no experience at all) from nothing but using Google. I've embraced plenty of techs in the same lightweight way, MikTeX, LyX, JavaScript, Git, etc. I guess I felt like it is hard to "teach this old dog the new Pharo trick", despite these other successes. The language is beautiful and simple.
The tutorial I finally went (suffered?) through to create classes/methods was for an older version of Pharo environment. It didn't look like Pharo on my Windows 10 and I had to open my mind a lot more (than I'm used to) to finally bridge the gap. Still not comfortable with coding this way. I like to do versioning of code (this old dog started in MPW on a Mac, used CVS, SVN and now Git). For now, I'm probably not sure if I need it in Pharo/Moose.
Going to try to get some students working on this soon.
Cheers,
C. Fuhrman
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 2:11 AM, stepharo stepharo@free.fr wrote:
Hi cris
Let us know if you need help to
install moose get started with Pharo (because pharo is cooool)Stef
Le 6/10/16 à 06:38, Cris Fuhrman a écrit :
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
Do you have good reference links to publications (yours or from other people) which uses Moose metrics for example in a "Material and Methods" section?
The following publication is what got me back onto Moose (I had seen Moose in the past, but the lack of means to run smalltalk easily stopped me from pursuing it):
https://scholar.google.com.hk/citations?view_op=view_citatio n&hl=en&citation_for_view=SgSSzKIAAAAJ:zYLM7Y9cAGgC
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