31 May
2011
31 May
'11
10:45 p.m.
Hi guys
I think that having a metacello configuration that is working for moose is key.
So what are the problems?
Stef
31 May
31 May
10:53 p.m.
New subject: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
Hi,
The problem is that we need a script that given:
- a baseline (default in our case), and
- the packages from the current image
versions the current configuration and all the nested configurations. This does not seem
to work properly because we have such a deep nesting of configurations. At this point, I
would even be satisfied with having a specific configuration that lists all packages by
flattening the nested configurations.
Cheers,
Doru
On 31 May 2011, at 22:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi guys
I think that having a metacello configuration that is working for moose is key.
So what are the problems?
Stef
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7:32 a.m.
New subject: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
thanks
I think that this is really important to address that if the build does not work then why
the rest is of importance since we cannot rollback.
So please have a look. Moose is really important and also we should learn for the complete
pharo system.
Dale replied.
Stef
On May 31, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
The problem is that we need a script that given:
- a baseline (default in our case), and
- the packages from the current image
versions the current configuration and all the nested configurations. This does not seem
to work properly because we have such a deep nesting of configurations. At this point, I
would even be satisfied with having a specific configuration that lists all packages by
flattening the nested configurations.
Cheers,
Doru
On 31 May 2011, at 22:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi guys
I think that having a metacello configuration that is working for moose is key.
So what are the problems?
Stef
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11:40 a.m.
New subject: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
Hi,
(I am copying the metacello mailing list here because I think we could join the efforts by
dealing with Moose as a case study)
Stef, I did not see the reply of Dale. Where was it?
In any case, let's join our efforts. Who is willing to spend some focus time around
this:
- Johan said he would, but it is unclear when
- Alex?
- anyone else?
Doru
On 1 Jun 2011, at 07:32, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
thanks
I think that this is really important to address that if the build does not work then why
the rest is of importance since we cannot rollback.
So please have a look. Moose is really important and also we should learn for the
complete pharo system.
Dale replied.
Stef
On May 31, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
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"Problem solving should be focused on describing
the problem in a way that makes the solution obvious."
Hi,
The problem is that we need a script that given:
- a baseline (default in our case), and
- the packages from the current image
versions the current configuration and all the nested configurations. This does not seem
to work properly because we have such a deep nesting of configurations. At this point, I
would even be satisfied with having a specific configuration that lists all packages by
flattening the nested configurations.
Cheers,
Doru
On 31 May 2011, at 22:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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I think that having a metacello configuration that is working for moose is key.
So what are the problems?
Stef
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11:48 a.m.
New subject: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
On Jun 1, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
(I am copying the metacello mailing list here because I think we could join the efforts
by dealing with Moose as a case study)
Stef, I did not see the reply of Dale. Where was it?
on the bug entry of alex.
In any case, let's join our efforts. Who is willing to spend some focus time around
this:
- Johan said he would, but it is unclear when
- Alex?
- anyone else?
Doru
On 1 Jun 2011, at 07:32, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
thanks
I think that this is really important to address that if the build does not work then why
the rest is of importance since we cannot rollback.
So please have a look. Moose is really important and also we should learn for the
complete pharo system.
Dale replied.
Stef
On May 31, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
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The problem is that we need a script that given:
- a baseline (default in our case), and
- the packages from the current image
versions the current configuration and all the nested configurations. This does not seem
to work properly because we have such a deep nesting of configurations. At this point, I
would even be satisfied with having a specific configuration that lists all packages by
flattening the nested configurations.
Cheers,
Doru
On 31 May 2011, at 22:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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I think that having a metacello configuration that is working for moose is key.
So what are the problems?
Stef
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2:56 p.m.
New subject: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
I think I should be able to look at this again somewhere next week.
On 01 Jun 2011, at 05:40, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
(I am copying the metacello mailing list here because I think we could join the efforts
by dealing with Moose as a case study)
Stef, I did not see the reply of Dale. Where was it?
In any case, let's join our efforts. Who is willing to spend some focus time around
this:
- Johan said he would, but it is unclear when
- Alex?
- anyone else?
Doru
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thanks
I think that this is really important to address that if the build does not work then why
the rest is of importance since we cannot rollback.
So please have a look. Moose is really important and also we should learn for the
complete pharo system.
Dale replied.
Stef
On May 31, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
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the problem in a way that makes the solution obvious."
_______________________________________________
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi,
The problem is that we need a script that given:
- a baseline (default in our case), and
- the packages from the current image
versions the current configuration and all the nested configurations. This does not seem
to work properly because we have such a deep nesting of configurations. At this point, I
would even be satisfied with having a specific configuration that lists all packages by
flattening the nested configurations.
Cheers,
Doru
On 31 May 2011, at 22:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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I think that having a metacello configuration that is working for moose is key.
So what are the problems?
Stef
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4:01 p.m.
New subject: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
Even if I already spent a lot of time on this, I am willing to pursue the effort.
We could meet in a couple of weeks in Bern about this. But best is to have Dale around.
Dale, will you be at esug?
Alexandre
On 1 Jun 2011, at 05:40, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
(I am copying the metacello mailing list here because I think we could join the efforts
by dealing with Moose as a case study)
Stef, I did not see the reply of Dale. Where was it?
In any case, let's join our efforts. Who is willing to spend some focus time around
this:
- Johan said he would, but it is unclear when
- Alex?
- anyone else?
Doru
On 1 Jun 2011, at 07:32, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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thanks
I think that this is really important to address that if the build does not work then why
the rest is of importance since we cannot rollback.
So please have a look. Moose is really important and also we should learn for the
complete pharo system.
Dale replied.
Stef
On May 31, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
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the problem in a way that makes the solution obvious."
_______________________________________________
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Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi,
The problem is that we need a script that given:
- a baseline (default in our case), and
- the packages from the current image
versions the current configuration and all the nested configurations. This does not seem
to work properly because we have such a deep nesting of configurations. At this point, I
would even be satisfied with having a specific configuration that lists all packages by
flattening the nested configurations.
Cheers,
Doru
On 31 May 2011, at 22:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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I think that having a metacello configuration that is working for moose is key.
So what are the problems?
Stef
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4:04 p.m.
New subject: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
I will try to allocate some time on it.
even if my time is #$%^&*( short in this moment.
Stef
On Jun 1, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Even if I already spent a lot of time on this, I am
willing to pursue the effort.
We could meet in a couple of weeks in Bern about this. But best is to have Dale around.
Dale, will you be at esug?
Alexandre
On 1 Jun 2011, at 05:40, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
(I am copying the metacello mailing list here because I think we could join the efforts
by dealing with Moose as a case study)
Stef, I did not see the reply of Dale. Where was it?
In any case, let's join our efforts. Who is willing to spend some focus time around
this:
- Johan said he would, but it is unclear when
- Alex?
- anyone else?
Doru
On 1 Jun 2011, at 07:32, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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I think that this is really important to address that if the build does not work then why
the rest is of importance since we cannot rollback.
So please have a look. Moose is really important and also we should learn for the
complete pharo system.
Dale replied.
Stef
On May 31, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
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the problem in a way that makes the solution obvious."
_______________________________________________
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The problem is that we need a script that given:
- a baseline (default in our case), and
- the packages from the current image
versions the current configuration and all the nested configurations. This does not seem
to work properly because we have such a deep nesting of configurations. At this point, I
would even be satisfied with having a specific configuration that lists all packages by
flattening the nested configurations.
Cheers,
Doru
On 31 May 2011, at 22:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> Hi guys
>
> I think that having a metacello configuration that is working for moose is key.
> So what are the problems?
>
> Stef
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6:05 p.m.
New subject: [Metacello] Re: Re: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
Alexandre,
I will be at ESUG, so that would be the best time to hash out the issues and come up with
some real solutions...
Dale
----- Original Message -----
Even if I already spent a lot of time on this, I am
willing to pursue
the effort.
We could meet in a couple of weeks in Bern about this. But best is to
have Dale around.
Dale, will you be at esug?
Alexandre
On 1 Jun 2011, at 05:40, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
(I am copying the metacello mailing list here because I think we
could join the efforts by dealing with Moose as a case study)
Stef, I did not see the reply of Dale. Where was it?
In any case, let's join our efforts. Who is willing to spend some
focus time around this:
- Johan said he would, but it is unclear when
- Alex?
- anyone else?
Doru
On 1 Jun 2011, at 07:32, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
thanks
I think that this is really important to address that if the build
does not work then why the rest is of importance since we cannot
rollback.
So please have a look. Moose is really important and also we
should learn for the complete pharo system.
Dale replied.
Stef
On May 31, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
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_______________________________________________
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The problem is that we need a script that given:
- a baseline (default in our case), and
- the packages from the current image
versions the current configuration and all the nested
configurations. This does not seem to work properly because we
have such a deep nesting of configurations. At this point, I
would even be satisfied with having a specific configuration
that lists all packages by flattening the nested configurations.
Cheers,
Doru
On 31 May 2011, at 22:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> Hi guys
>
> I think that having a metacello configuration that is working
> for moose is key.
> So what are the problems?
>
> Stef
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6:33 p.m.
New subject: [Metacello] Re: Re: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
Super!!
Alexandre
On 1 Jun 2011, at 12:05, Dale Henrichs wrote:
Alexandre,
I will be at ESUG, so that would be the best time to hash out the issues and come up with
some real solutions...
Dale
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Even if I already spent a lot of time on this, I
am willing to pursue
the effort.
We could meet in a couple of weeks in Bern about this. But best is to
have Dale around.
Dale, will you be at esug?
Alexandre
On 1 Jun 2011, at 05:40, Tudor Girba wrote:
_______________________________________________
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Hi,
(I am copying the metacello mailing list here because I think we
could join the efforts by dealing with Moose as a case study)
Stef, I did not see the reply of Dale. Where was it?
In any case, let's join our efforts. Who is willing to spend some
focus time around this:
- Johan said he would, but it is unclear when
- Alex?
- anyone else?
Doru
On 1 Jun 2011, at 07:32, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
thanks
I think that this is really important to address that if the build
does not work then why the rest is of importance since we cannot
rollback.
So please have a look. Moose is really important and also we
should learn for the complete pharo system.
Dale replied.
Stef
On May 31, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The problem is that we need a script that given:
> - a baseline (default in our case), and
> - the packages from the current image
>
> versions the current configuration and all the nested
> configurations. This does not seem to work properly because we
> have such a deep nesting of configurations. At this point, I
> would even be satisfied with having a specific configuration
> that lists all packages by flattening the nested configurations.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 31 May 2011, at 22:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I think that having a metacello configuration that is working
>> for moose is key.
>> So what are the problems?
>>
>> Stef
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moose-dev mailing list
>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
>
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31 May
10:53 p.m.
New subject: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
Indeed. Last time I tried there was a bug in Metacello. I reported it, but I was full with
other things:
http://code.google.com/p/metacello/issues/detail?id=107
Alexandre
On 31 May 2011, at 16:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi guys
I think that having a metacello configuration that is working for moose is key.
So what are the problems?
Stef
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11:04 p.m.
New subject: what should be done to have a metacello configuration that is loadable?
Does it have to be a metacello configuration or any other means to do it automatically? I
have been looking into the issue, trying to find a way to get a list of packages to load
and in what order. If we have this, then a gofer script is enough. I am currenlty blocked
at defining the load order of packages. Doru gave me some hints but I have not been able
to look into it further (yet).
On 31 May 2011, at 16:45, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi guys
I think that having a metacello configuration that is working for moose is key.
So what are the problems?
Stef
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