[Moose-dev] Re: can you say to alex that edges are slow?

> Yes, we will do this. > Now, I do not understand the relation between metrics (which is > computed before visualization) and scrolling the canvas. > > Does Mondrian compute something when we scroll ? Mondrian itself no. But it evaluates the block you provide when defining shape (e.g., height: and width:) each time a refresh is done. Which occurs when you scroll. I would like to verify if the metrics you use are really computed just once. Alexandre > > Cheers, > Jannik > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 15:46 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> It absolutely possible that I missed opportunities for >> optimization. But I would like to be sure that the metrics you >> use are not responsible for the slowness. Can you produce a >> complete sequence on how I can reproduce the problem, starting >> from a Moose one-click image? >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> On 9 Jun 2010, at 09:41, Laval Jannik wrote: >> >>> Hi Alex, >>> >>> I just see Package Blueprint working on Pharo1.1 >>> Jean Remi shows a case study : >>> It is a visualization of 50 packages (so, not a lot), it is >>> clearly difficult to scroll. >>> This is not an edges problem, I do not know if this problem >>> comes from Mondrian or Morphic... >>> >>> But for sure, it is not attractive. >>> >>> Mondrian exists to generate faster visualization by scripting. >>> If the visualization is not scrollable, and not usable with >>> modern computers as we have, do you think Mondrian is useful ? >>> >>> The problem is here: We write one time the script, we generate >>> frequently visualization. >>> Users prefer a fast visualization than a fast scripting >>> language. >>> The perfect is to have the two. And I think that Mondrian can >>> do this. >>> >>> Maybe we should do work on it (an engineer ?). >>> >>> Just my reflexion >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jannik >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 14:24 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> >>>>> I already tried with a complex case. Indeed it is a lot >>>>> faster than before, thank you :D >>>> >>>> This is what I would expect. There was a bug introduced with >>>> the zOrder. >>>> You should have similar speed up on pharo 1.0. >>>> >>>>> The #5 is a treeLayout (with less edges) and on it I >>>>> couldn't move the scrollbar.. got stuck for minutes. I tried >>>>> again, and I had the same problem. >>>> >>>> Are you sure that the problem comes from Mondrian? You can >>>> use Kai, the profiler I worked on to easily see where the >>>> problem comes from. >>>> >>>> KaiProfiler viewProfiling: [ "your code here" ] >>>> >>>> www.squeaksource.com/Spy.html >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Will check if i am doing something different for that >>>>> visualization (thought is the simplest one), and will let >>>>> you know. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Veronica >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 08 Jun 2010, at 14:46, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Veronica (and Jannik), >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem should now be fixed. The last version of >>>>>> Mondrian is 3 times faster when displaying inner nodes and >>>>>> edges. >>>>>> Does it solve your problem? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5 Jun 2010, at 05:27, Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Alexandre, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Inspecting visualizations when many edges are present is >>>>>>> really a problem... >>>>>>> Is there any improvement with respect to this problem? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Veronica >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24 Apr 2010, at 22:53, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok. I have a set of benchmarks that noticed a slowdown. I >>>>>>>> hope this will be addressed soon (a student is currently >>>>>>>> working on it). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24 Apr 2010, at 07:59, Laval Jannik wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can't too. >>>>>>>>> The script make a while and crash the image. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jannik >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 23:07 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jannik, can you try to generate a DSM with the version >>>>>>>>>> Mondrian-Alexandre_Bergel.355.mcz and tell me whether >>>>>>>>>> it is faster or not ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I guess Veronica can not do it since dashed lines did >>>>>>>>>> not exist in 355. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 15:41, Laval Jannik wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the same for me. >>>>>>>>>>> With an eDSM, it is really difficult to scroll. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I already make some reports of this problem... But I >>>>>>>>>>> am not sure it is caused by edges. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 21:31 , Veronica Isabel Uquillas >>>>>>>>>>> Gomez wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexandre, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> when my visualizations have many elements in general >>>>>>>>>>>> is slow, but sometimes is impossible (or takes more >>>>>>>>>>>> than 1 min) to move the scrollbar or switch to other >>>>>>>>>>>> windows... I think the edges are causing this >>>>>>>>>>>> problem, but i am not sure. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> will send you an example of this case. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Veronica >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 20:09, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are edges slower than before? I recently noticed a >>>>>>>>>>>>> slowdown, but it is not that apparent. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How many edges are intended to be defined? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 13:41, stephane ducasse wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you do not tell him, he will never notice it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> First Rule: give feedback! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>>>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> Jannik Laval >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> Jannik Laval >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > --- > Jannik Laval > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev