16 Apr
2014
16 Apr
'14
10:08 p.m.
BTW when we debugged the font problems with igor, we were really
frustrated because the debugger
did not let us restart methods (they was no fly by help, no
menus....) then we dod not know how in some cases we could get
another debugger with more items (no ideas why) and we got some
problem with keybinding in the workspace.
We open an old workspace to be able to work!!!
So of course we can think that igor and me are just two little
idiots not understanding what we were doing.
I do not think you are idiots, but if you cannot say what problems you
had it's hard to address them.
We could not fix the problems and in addition records all the problems
we got. Sorry.
For example, you say that there were no tooltips, but
all actions have
tooltips that behave exactly like any other tooltip in Pharo. If they
did not appear you might have run into a Pharo bug, but I doubt it.
You know if a
guy like igor (with me pair programming) cannot find a
restart in a debugger may be this is that it was not there.
What do you mean by more items? More actions/icons?
Or? What were you
debugging?
I mean getting what we have now. and a menus with the action we have
now
We were debugging the broken registration.
You know very well that these tools are not the
ultimate tools. They
are built by people that typically have other things to do, too. But,
I think everyone is ready to listen to things and see how to improve.
Let's just keep on being concrete.
Now do not expect that people like Igor will spend their time
fixing Moose problems (because this was a problem of Moose -
adding fonts without adding them to the crappy ad-hoc registration
mechanism was a Moose problem).
Thanks for looking into it, but Moose did not really have a problem
with this issue. I did not encounter even one case in which I had to
change the fonts after they were set in the setup (the Moose image
comes with this setup already done). It's good that now we have a
basic in-image font registration mechanism, though.
Apparently you never pressed twice on the disable freetype fonts with
Moose. Because it worked in Pharo but
it brokes on Moose because fonts were not added to SourceFonts.
Igor was nice to help me but do not cry in the future if people do
not help because if the basic tools do not work well
why people should freely spent their time helping us. Igor did it
because I was forced to do it and we did it together.
I thank Igor and you. But, I still do not understand why you were
forced to do it?
Because some of our potential clients got the big red cross on
their
screen and several times.
And they were donwloading Moose and not simply Pharo. So this is not
just for fun that I had to fix that.
I was also frustrated because I also have
something else to do
than to fight with a debugger that did not have the default
functionality. but icons do not work me.
You are mixing a bit things. We started from the theme, and now you
talk about the debugger. Which one is the problem? Both? Equally?
Both.
And even the inspector because some key binding where not working, so we
were puzzled and we open an old workspace to be able to work and find
the information we needed.
After that experience I was thinking that I should
do a new
jenkins job loading my version of Moose and do not say it around.
I would imagine that everybody at RMOD would suddenly use this
version of Moose because many people are getting frustrated.
I did not want to start a war but I was ****REALLLLLYYYY****
frustrated. I could not see the input field, I could not get the
workspace working
and the debugger was wrong. So yes we can say that nautilus is bad
but I use it daily and I have no problem to know where to type.
Feel free to ignore this message, but when I will be really mad
again I will create a jenkins job and only use this version. I
fully understand
Yuriy's idea to have less Moose! And I will ask the people that
wants me to help to only use this version that I can use.
This is not really helpful, but the choice is yours :)
Indeed.
But at least you understand the frustration of people. This is not by
accident that I started this thread.
This is months that people here are switching automatically to get rid
of the white theme.
Stef
Good night,
Doru
Stef
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