[Moose-dev] Re: can you say to alex that edges are slow?

It absolutely possible that I missed opportunities for optimization. But I would like to be sure that the metrics you use are not responsible for the slowness. Can you produce a complete sequence on how I can reproduce the problem, starting from a Moose one-click image? Cheers, Alexandre On 9 Jun 2010, at 09:41, Laval Jannik wrote: > Hi Alex, > > I just see Package Blueprint working on Pharo1.1 > Jean Remi shows a case study : > It is a visualization of 50 packages (so, not a lot), it is clearly difficult to scroll. > This is not an edges problem, I do not know if this problem comes from Mondrian or Morphic... > > But for sure, it is not attractive. > > Mondrian exists to generate faster visualization by scripting. > If the visualization is not scrollable, and not usable with modern computers as we have, do you think Mondrian is useful ? > > The problem is here: We write one time the script, we generate frequently visualization. > Users prefer a fast visualization than a fast scripting language. > The perfect is to have the two. And I think that Mondrian can do this. > > Maybe we should do work on it (an engineer ?). > > Just my reflexion > > Cheers, > Jannik > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 14:24 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >>> I already tried with a complex case. Indeed it is a lot faster than before, thank you :D >> >> This is what I would expect. There was a bug introduced with the zOrder. >> You should have similar speed up on pharo 1.0. >> >>> The #5 is a treeLayout (with less edges) and on it I couldn't move the scrollbar.. got stuck for minutes. I tried again, and I had the same problem. >> >> Are you sure that the problem comes from Mondrian? You can use Kai, the profiler I worked on to easily see where the problem comes from. >> >> KaiProfiler viewProfiling: [ "your code here" ] >> >> www.squeaksource.com/Spy.html >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >>> >>> Will check if i am doing something different for that visualization (thought is the simplest one), and will let you know. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Veronica >>> >>> >>> On 08 Jun 2010, at 14:46, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Veronica (and Jannik), >>>> >>>> The problem should now be fixed. The last version of Mondrian is 3 times faster when displaying inner nodes and edges. >>>> Does it solve your problem? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5 Jun 2010, at 05:27, Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Alexandre, >>>>> >>>>> Inspecting visualizations when many edges are present is really a problem... >>>>> Is there any improvement with respect to this problem? >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Veronica >>>>> >>>>> On 24 Apr 2010, at 22:53, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ok. I have a set of benchmarks that noticed a slowdown. I hope this will be addressed soon (a student is currently working on it). >>>>>> >>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Apr 2010, at 07:59, Laval Jannik wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't too. >>>>>>> The script make a while and crash the image. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jannik >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 23:07 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jannik, can you try to generate a DSM with the version Mondrian-Alexandre_Bergel.355.mcz and tell me whether it is faster or not ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guess Veronica can not do it since dashed lines did not exist in 355. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 15:41, Laval Jannik wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the same for me. >>>>>>>>> With an eDSM, it is really difficult to scroll. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I already make some reports of this problem... But I am not sure it is caused by edges. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jannik >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 21:31 , Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexandre, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> when my visualizations have many elements in general is slow, but sometimes is impossible (or takes more than 1 min) to move the scrollbar or switch to other windows... I think the edges are causing this problem, but i am not sure. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> will send you an example of this case. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>> Veronica >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 20:09, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are edges slower than before? I recently noticed a slowdown, but it is not that apparent. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How many edges are intended to be defined? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 13:41, stephane ducasse wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> if you do not tell him, he will never notice it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> First Rule: give feedback! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> Jannik Laval >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> Jannik Laval >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev