[Moose-dev] Re: can you say to alex that edges are slow?

Yes, we will do this. Now, I do not understand the relation between metrics (which is computed before visualization) and scrolling the canvas. Does Mondrian compute something when we scroll ?

Cheers, Jannik On Jun 9, 2010, at 15:46 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > It absolutely possible that I missed opportunities for optimization. But I would like to be sure that the metrics you use are not responsible for the slowness. Can you produce a complete sequence on how I can reproduce the problem, starting from a Moose one-click image? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > On 9 Jun 2010, at 09:41, Laval Jannik wrote: > >> Hi Alex, >> >> I just see Package Blueprint working on Pharo1.1 >> Jean Remi shows a case study : >> It is a visualization of 50 packages (so, not a lot), it is clearly difficult to scroll. >> This is not an edges problem, I do not know if this problem comes from Mondrian or Morphic... >> >> But for sure, it is not attractive. >> >> Mondrian exists to generate faster visualization by scripting. >> If the visualization is not scrollable, and not usable with modern computers as we have, do you think Mondrian is useful ? >> >> The problem is here: We write one time the script, we generate frequently visualization. >> Users prefer a fast visualization than a fast scripting language. >> The perfect is to have the two. And I think that Mondrian can do this. >> >> Maybe we should do work on it (an engineer ?). >> >> Just my reflexion >> >> Cheers, >> Jannik >> >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 14:24 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >>>> I already tried with a complex case. Indeed it is a lot faster than before, thank you :D >>> >>> This is what I would expect. There was a bug introduced with the zOrder. >>> You should have similar speed up on pharo 1.0. >>> >>>> The #5 is a treeLayout (with less edges) and on it I couldn't move the scrollbar.. got stuck for minutes. I tried again, and I had the same problem. >>> >>> Are you sure that the problem comes from Mondrian? You can use Kai, the profiler I worked on to easily see where the problem comes from. >>> >>> KaiProfiler viewProfiling: [ "your code here" ] >>> >>> www.squeaksource.com/Spy.html >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>>> >>>> Will check if i am doing something different for that visualization (thought is the simplest one), and will let you know. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Veronica >>>> >>>> >>>> On 08 Jun 2010, at 14:46, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Veronica (and Jannik), >>>>> >>>>> The problem should now be fixed. The last version of Mondrian is 3 times faster when displaying inner nodes and edges. >>>>> Does it solve your problem? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5 Jun 2010, at 05:27, Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Alexandre, >>>>>> >>>>>> Inspecting visualizations when many edges are present is really a problem... >>>>>> Is there any improvement with respect to this problem? >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> Veronica >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Apr 2010, at 22:53, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok. I have a set of benchmarks that noticed a slowdown. I hope this will be addressed soon (a student is currently working on it). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24 Apr 2010, at 07:59, Laval Jannik wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can't too. >>>>>>>> The script make a while and crash the image. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jannik >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 23:07 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jannik, can you try to generate a DSM with the version Mondrian-Alexandre_Bergel.355.mcz and tell me whether it is faster or not ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I guess Veronica can not do it since dashed lines did not exist in 355. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 15:41, Laval Jannik wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the same for me. >>>>>>>>>> With an eDSM, it is really difficult to scroll. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I already make some reports of this problem... But I am not sure it is caused by edges. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jannik >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 21:31 , Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexandre, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> when my visualizations have many elements in general is slow, but sometimes is impossible (or takes more than 1 min) to move the scrollbar or switch to other windows... I think the edges are causing this problem, but i am not sure. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> will send you an example of this case. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Veronica >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 20:09, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are edges slower than before? I recently noticed a slowdown, but it is not that apparent. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How many edges are intended to be defined? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2010, at 13:41, stephane ducasse wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> if you do not tell him, he will never notice it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> First Rule: give feedback! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> Jannik Laval >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> Jannik Laval >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev --- Jannik Laval _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev