Hi folks,
Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online?
http://sattose.org/2018:schedule
Cheers, Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
Hello Oscar,
At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results:
Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately.
Alexandre
Ok, this is just wrong.
If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available.
Oscar
--- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hello Oscar,
At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results:
<Screenshot 2018-08-17 17.52.41.png>
Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately.
Alexandre
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz oscar@inf.unibe.ch wrote:
Hi folks,
Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online?
http://sattose.org/2018:schedule
Cheers, Oscar
Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
SATToSE mailing list SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose
I agree with Oscar.
Stef
On 18 Aug 2018, at 00:41, Oscar Nierstrasz oscar@inf.unibe.ch wrote:
Ok, this is just wrong.
If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available.
Oscar
Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch http://scg.unibe.ch/ University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
Hello Oscar,
At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results:
<Screenshot 2018-08-17 17.52.41.png>
Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately.
Alexandre
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu http://www.bergel.eu/ ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.ch mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> wrote:
Hi folks,
Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online?
http://sattose.org/2018:schedule http://sattose.org/2018:schedule
Cheers, Oscar
Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch http://scg.unibe.ch/ University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
SATToSE mailing list SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch mailto:SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose
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I tend to disagree, because sattose did not really have a call for publication, but rather a call for presentation. The call for papers explicitly mentioned two types of contributions, for the second type of contribution the authors usually either do not have the copyright to allow publication in another venue (in this case sattose), or cannot make the paper available since this would infringe the "double submission" policy. Making it public before it is accepted to a conference or journal may lead to a rejection for that conference or journal.
* Work in Progress: Early ideas and achievements that you want to share with the community and get feedback on. * Publication Summary: Overview of research results already published or ready to be submitted to a conference or a journal.
----- Reply message ----- From: "Stéphane Ducasse" stephane.ducasse@inria.fr To: "Oscar Nierstrasz" oscar@inf.unibe.ch Cc: "sattose@list.inf.unibe.ch" sattose@list.inf.unibe.ch Subject: [SATToSE] Re: SATToSE 2018 papers not online Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2018 01:34
I agree with Oscar.
Stef
On 18 Aug 2018, at 00:41, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.chmailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> wrote:
Ok, this is just wrong.
If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available.
Oscar
--- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.chmailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.chhttp://scg.unibe.ch/ University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.commailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
Hello Oscar,
At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results:
<Screenshot 2018-08-17 17.52.41.png>
Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately.
Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.euhttp://www.bergel.eu/ ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.chmailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> wrote:
Hi folks,
Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online?
http://sattose.org/2018:schedule
Cheers, Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.chmailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.chhttp://scg.unibe.ch/ University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
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But then those who submitted the first kind should be able to have their submissions published online.
Oscar
--- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
On 19 Aug 2018, at 08:28, Tom MENS Tom.MENS@umons.ac.be wrote:
I tend to disagree, because sattose did not really have a call for publication, but rather a call for presentation. The call for papers explicitly mentioned two types of contributions, for the second type of contribution the authors usually either do not have the copyright to allow publication in another venue (in this case sattose), or cannot make the paper available since this would infringe the "double submission" policy. Making it public before it is accepted to a conference or journal may lead to a rejection for that conference or journal. • Work in Progress: Early ideas and achievements that you want to share with the community and get feedback on. • Publication Summary: Overview of research results already published or ready to be submitted to a conference or a journal.
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I agree with Oscar.
Stef
On 18 Aug 2018, at 00:41, Oscar Nierstrasz oscar@inf.unibe.ch wrote:
Ok, this is just wrong.
If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available.
Oscar
Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.bergel@me.com wrote:
Hello Oscar,
At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results:
<Screenshot 2018-08-17 17.52.41.png>
Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately.
Alexandre
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz oscar@inf.unibe.ch wrote:
Hi folks,
Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online?
http://sattose.org/2018:schedule
Cheers, Oscar
Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
SATToSE mailing list SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose
SATToSE mailing list SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose
Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://www.synectique.eu / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
People often use arxiv to archive preliminary work. I’m behind arXiv for SE and I see that often, else you can also publish a Technical report if people are afraid about getting their ideas stolen (if this is the reason).
Stef
On 19 Aug 2018, at 08:28, Tom MENS Tom.MENS@umons.ac.be wrote:
I tend to disagree, because sattose did not really have a call for publication, but rather a call for presentation. The call for papers explicitly mentioned two types of contributions, for the second type of contribution the authors usually either do not have the copyright to allow publication in another venue (in this case sattose), or cannot make the paper available since this would infringe the "double submission" policy. Making it public before it is accepted to a conference or journal may lead to a rejection for that conference or journal. Work in Progress: Early ideas and achievements that you want to share with the community and get feedback on. Publication Summary: Overview of research results already published or ready to be submitted to a conference or a journal.
----- Reply message ----- From: "Stéphane Ducasse" stephane.ducasse@inria.fr To: "Oscar Nierstrasz" oscar@inf.unibe.ch Cc: "sattose@list.inf.unibe.ch" sattose@list.inf.unibe.ch Subject: [SATToSE] Re: SATToSE 2018 papers not online Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2018 01:34
I agree with Oscar.
Stef
On 18 Aug 2018, at 00:41, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.ch mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> wrote:
Ok, this is just wrong.
If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available.
Oscar
Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch http://scg.unibe.ch/ University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
Hello Oscar,
At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results:
<Screenshot 2018-08-17 17.52.41.png>
Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately.
Alexandre
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu http://www.bergel.eu/ ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.ch mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> wrote:
Hi folks,
Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online?
http://sattose.org/2018:schedule http://sattose.org/2018:schedule
Cheers, Oscar
Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch http://scg.unibe.ch/ University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
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-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://www.synectique.eu / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
Could we have this discussion with the SC rather than on the full mailing list?
________________________________ Van: SATToSE sattose-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch namens Tom MENS Tom.MENS@umons.ac.be Verzonden: zondag 19 augustus 2018 8:28 Aan: Stéphane Ducasse; Oscar Nierstrasz CC: sattose@list.inf.unibe.ch Onderwerp: [SATToSE] Re: SATToSE 2018 papers not online
I tend to disagree, because sattose did not really have a call for publication, but rather a call for presentation. The call for papers explicitly mentioned two types of contributions, for the second type of contribution the authors usually either do not have the copyright to allow publication in another venue (in this case sattose), or cannot make the paper available since this would infringe the "double submission" policy. Making it public before it is accepted to a conference or journal may lead to a rejection for that conference or journal.
* Work in Progress: Early ideas and achievements that you want to share with the community and get feedback on. * Publication Summary: Overview of research results already published or ready to be submitted to a conference or a journal.
----- Reply message ----- From: "Stéphane Ducasse" stephane.ducasse@inria.fr To: "Oscar Nierstrasz" oscar@inf.unibe.ch Cc: "sattose@list.inf.unibe.ch" sattose@list.inf.unibe.ch Subject: [SATToSE] Re: SATToSE 2018 papers not online Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2018 01:34
I agree with Oscar.
Stef
On 18 Aug 2018, at 00:41, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.chmailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> wrote:
Ok, this is just wrong.
If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available.
Oscar
--- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.chmailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.chhttp://scg.unibe.ch/ University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.commailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
Hello Oscar,
At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results:
<Screenshot 2018-08-17 17.52.41.png>
Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately.
Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.euhttp://www.bergel.eu/ ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.chmailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> wrote:
Hi folks,
Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online?
http://sattose.org/2018:schedule
Cheers, Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.chmailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.chhttp://scg.unibe.ch/ University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618
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