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BENEVOL 2018 [EXTENDED DEADLINE]

Changes to the SATTOSE SC

Oscar Nierstrasz

17 Aug 2018 17 Aug '18

12:55 p.m.

Hi folks, Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online? http://sattose.org/2018:schedule Cheers, Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618

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Alexandre Bergel

17 Aug 17 Aug

10:54 p.m.

Hello Oscar, At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results: Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch> wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online? http://sattose.org/2018:schedule Cheers, Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618 _______________________________________________ SATToSE mailing list SATToSE(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose

Oscar Nierstrasz

18 Aug 18 Aug

12:41 a.m.

Ok, this is just wrong. If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available. Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618

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On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: Hello Oscar, At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results: <Screenshot 2018-08-17 17.52.41.png> Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Stéphane Ducasse

7:59 a.m.

I agree with Oscar. Stef

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On 18 Aug 2018, at 00:41, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch> wrote: Ok, this is just wrong. If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available. Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch <mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch <http://scg.unibe.ch/> University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618 On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote:

Hello Oscar, At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results: <Screenshot 2018-08-17 17.52.41.png> Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch <mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch>> wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online? http://sattose.org/2018:schedule <http://sattose.org/2018:schedule> Cheers, Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch <mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch <http://scg.unibe.ch/> University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618 _______________________________________________ SATToSE mailing list SATToSE(a)list.inf.unibe.ch <mailto:SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose <https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose>

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Tom MENS

19 Aug 19 Aug

8:28 a.m.

I tend to disagree, because sattose did not really have a call for publication, but rather a call for presentation. The call for papers explicitly mentioned two types of contributions, for the second type of contribution the authors usually either do not have the copyright to allow publication in another venue (in this case sattose), or cannot make the paper available since this would infringe the "double submission" policy. Making it public before it is accepted to a conference or journal may lead to a rejection for that conference or journal. * Work in Progress: Early ideas and achievements that you want to share with the community and get feedback on. * Publication Summary: Overview of research results already published or ready to be submitted to a conference or a journal. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: "Oscar Nierstrasz" <oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch> Cc: "sattose(a)list.inf.unibe.ch" <sattose(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Subject: [SATToSE] Re: SATToSE 2018 papers not online Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2018 01:34 I agree with Oscar. Stef On 18 Aug 2018, at 00:41, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.ch<mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch>> wrote: Ok, this is just wrong. If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available. Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch<mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch<http://scg.unibe.ch/> University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618 On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com<mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: Hello Oscar, At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results: <Screenshot 2018-08-17 17.52.41.png> Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu<http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.ch<mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch>> wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online? http://sattose.org/2018:schedule Cheers, Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch<mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch<http://scg.unibe.ch/> University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618 _______________________________________________ SATToSE mailing list SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch<mailto:SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose _______________________________________________ SATToSE mailing list SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch<mailto:SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://www.synectique.eu / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

Oscar Nierstrasz

9:49 a.m.

But then those who submitted the first kind should be able to have their submissions published online. Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618

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On 19 Aug 2018, at 08:28, Tom MENS <Tom.MENS(a)umons.ac.be> wrote: I tend to disagree, because sattose did not really have a call for publication, but rather a call for presentation. The call for papers explicitly mentioned two types of contributions, for the second type of contribution the authors usually either do not have the copyright to allow publication in another venue (in this case sattose), or cannot make the paper available since this would infringe the "double submission" policy. Making it public before it is accepted to a conference or journal may lead to a rejection for that conference or journal. • Work in Progress: Early ideas and achievements that you want to share with the community and get feedback on. • Publication Summary: Overview of research results already published or ready to be submitted to a conference or a journal. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: "Oscar Nierstrasz" <oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch> Cc: "sattose(a)list.inf.unibe.ch" <sattose(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Subject: [SATToSE] Re: SATToSE 2018 papers not online Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2018 01:34 I agree with Oscar. Stef

On 18 Aug 2018, at 00:41, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch> wrote: Ok, this is just wrong. If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available. Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618 On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:

_______________________________________________ SATToSE mailing list SATToSE(a)list.inf.unibe.ch https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose

Stéphane Ducasse

11:41 a.m.

People often use arxiv to archive preliminary work. I’m behind arXiv for SE and I see that often, else you can also publish a Technical report if people are afraid about getting their ideas stolen (if this is the reason). Stef

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On 19 Aug 2018, at 08:28, Tom MENS <Tom.MENS(a)umons.ac.be> wrote: I tend to disagree, because sattose did not really have a call for publication, but rather a call for presentation. The call for papers explicitly mentioned two types of contributions, for the second type of contribution the authors usually either do not have the copyright to allow publication in another venue (in this case sattose), or cannot make the paper available since this would infringe the "double submission" policy. Making it public before it is accepted to a conference or journal may lead to a rejection for that conference or journal. Work in Progress: Early ideas and achievements that you want to share with the community and get feedback on. Publication Summary: Overview of research results already published or ready to be submitted to a conference or a journal. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: "Oscar Nierstrasz" <oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch> Cc: "sattose(a)list.inf.unibe.ch" <sattose(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Subject: [SATToSE] Re: SATToSE 2018 papers not online Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2018 01:34 I agree with Oscar. Stef

On 18 Aug 2018, at 00:41, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch <mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch>> wrote: Ok, this is just wrong. If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available. Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch <mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch <http://scg.unibe.ch/> University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618 On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote:

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Kim Mens

2:12 p.m.

Could we have this discussion with the SC rather than on the full mailing list? ________________________________ Van: SATToSE <sattose-bounces(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> namens Tom MENS <Tom.MENS(a)umons.ac.be> Verzonden: zondag 19 augustus 2018 8:28 Aan: Stéphane Ducasse; Oscar Nierstrasz CC: sattose(a)list.inf.unibe.ch Onderwerp: [SATToSE] Re: SATToSE 2018 papers not online I tend to disagree, because sattose did not really have a call for publication, but rather a call for presentation. The call for papers explicitly mentioned two types of contributions, for the second type of contribution the authors usually either do not have the copyright to allow publication in another venue (in this case sattose), or cannot make the paper available since this would infringe the "double submission" policy. Making it public before it is accepted to a conference or journal may lead to a rejection for that conference or journal. * Work in Progress: Early ideas and achievements that you want to share with the community and get feedback on. * Publication Summary: Overview of research results already published or ready to be submitted to a conference or a journal. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: "Oscar Nierstrasz" <oscar(a)inf.unibe.ch> Cc: "sattose(a)list.inf.unibe.ch" <sattose(a)list.inf.unibe.ch> Subject: [SATToSE] Re: SATToSE 2018 papers not online Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2018 01:34 I agree with Oscar. Stef On 18 Aug 2018, at 00:41, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.ch<mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch>> wrote: Ok, this is just wrong. If someone submits a paper for publication, that means it should be publicly available. I really insist that all presented papers be made available. Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch<mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch<http://scg.unibe.ch/> University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618 On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com<mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: Hello Oscar, At first, I wished to have all paper online. However, several authors did not want to make their paper public. I therefore run a poll, and here are results: <Screenshot 2018-08-17 17.52.41.png> Only a small portion wanted to have their paper online, unfortunately. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu<http://www.bergel.eu/> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar@inf.unibe.ch<mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch>> wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone know why many of the SATToSE papers from this year are not online? http://sattose.org/2018:schedule Cheers, Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar@inf.unibe.ch<mailto:oscar@inf.unibe.ch> Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch<http://scg.unibe.ch/> University of Bern -- Tel +41 31 631 4618 _______________________________________________ SATToSE mailing list SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch<mailto:SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose _______________________________________________ SATToSE mailing list SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch<mailto:SATToSE@list.inf.unibe.ch> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/sattose -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://www.synectique.eu / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

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