24 Nov
2011
24 Nov
'11
9 p.m.
Alex
two remarks:
- what is the level of reification because we reify a lot and it can be discarded.
- did you check the orion model
because with orion you only represent the delta and this is a big difference.
Stef
On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Having a reification in Moose of 100 versions of
Mondrian for example :-)
Just answering the question 'Which classes and methods of Mondrian have changed more
than 10 times since the day Mondrian was born?' cannot be easily done without a lot of
memory
Alexandre
On 24 Nov 2011, at 03:27, Francois Stephany wrote:
I'm wondering: how big is a dataset >
500MB ? I've no idea how big it is.
Alex, what is your use case (in practice!) for more than 500MB?
On 23/11/11 18:25, Igor Stasenko wrote:
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It is problematic, and requires different memory
management than we
currently have.
I think if you need really big data sets, then use gemstone, which is
developed to deal with that specifically.
24 Nov
24 Nov
9:08 p.m.
New subject: [Pharo-project] experience with large images?
- what is the level of reification because we reify a
lot and it can be discarded.
We are actually measuring the dependencies a method has. We therefore need invocations,
access to attributes, ... Close to the maximum level of import then.
- did you check the orion model
because with orion you only represent the delta and this is a big difference.
We haven't checked. Do you know whether Orion is integrated with Hismo? Can hismo be
transparently used with Orion?
Alexandre
On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
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Having a reification in Moose of 100 versions of
Mondrian for example :-)
Just answering the question 'Which classes and methods of Mondrian have changed more
than 10 times since the day Mondrian was born?' cannot be easily done without a lot of
memory
Alexandre
On 24 Nov 2011, at 03:27, Francois Stephany wrote:
I'm wondering: how big is a dataset >
500MB ? I've no idea how big it is.
Alex, what is your use case (in practice!) for more than 500MB?
On 23/11/11 18:25, Igor Stasenko wrote:
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Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
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It is problematic, and requires different memory
management than we
currently have.
I think if you need really big data sets, then use gemstone, which is
developed to deal with that specifically.
9:14 p.m.
New subject: [Pharo-project] experience with large images?
Hi Alex,
On Nov 24, 2011, at 21:08 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
I do not know how work Hismo,
but Orion work like a Famix model, if it can help you :)
Jannik
- what is the
level of reification because we reify a lot and it can be discarded.
We are actually measuring the dependencies a method has. We therefore need invocations,
access to attributes, ... Close to the maximum level of import then.
- did you check the orion model
because with orion you only represent the delta and this is a big difference.
We haven't checked. Do you know whether Orion is integrated with Hismo? Can hismo be
transparently used with Orion?
Alexandre
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Jannik Laval
On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
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Having a reification in Moose of 100 versions of
Mondrian for example :-)
Just answering the question 'Which classes and methods of Mondrian have changed more
than 10 times since the day Mondrian was born?' cannot be easily done without a lot of
memory
Alexandre
On 24 Nov 2011, at 03:27, Francois Stephany wrote:
I'm wondering: how big is a dataset >
500MB ? I've no idea how big it is.
Alex, what is your use case (in practice!) for more than 500MB?
On 23/11/11 18:25, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> It is problematic, and requires different memory management than we
> currently have.
> I think if you need really big data sets, then use gemstone, which is
> developed to deal with that specifically.
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Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
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9:17 p.m.
New subject: [Pharo-project] experience with large images?
I do not know how work Hismo,
but Orion work like a Famix model, if it can help you :)
Hismo provides many facilities to query the history, which is pretty cool
We should indeed have a look at Orion. We will
Alexandre
On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Having a reification in Moose of 100 versions of
Mondrian for example :-)
Just answering the question 'Which classes and methods of Mondrian have changed more
than 10 times since the day Mondrian was born?' cannot be easily done without a lot of
memory
Alexandre
On 24 Nov 2011, at 03:27, Francois Stephany wrote:
> I'm wondering: how big is a dataset > 500MB ? I've no idea how big it is.
> Alex, what is your use case (in practice!) for more than 500MB?
>
> On 23/11/11 18:25, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>> It is problematic, and requires different memory management than we
>> currently have.
>> I think if you need really big data sets, then use gemstone, which is
>> developed to deal with that specifically.
>
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Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
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26 Nov
26 Nov
9:38 a.m.
New subject: [Pharo-project] experience with large images?
On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
you do not need temp, comment
Not that I know but orion is the way to go if you want to have a lot of data.
- what is the
level of reification because we reify a lot and it can be discarded.
We are actually measuring the dependencies a method has. We therefore need invocations,
access to attributes, ... Close to the maximum level of import then. - did you check the orion model
because with orion you only represent the delta and this is a big difference.
We haven't checked. Do you know whether Orion is integrated with Hismo? Can hismo be
transparently used with Orion?
Alexandre
On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Having a reification in Moose of 100 versions of
Mondrian for example :-)
Just answering the question 'Which classes and methods of Mondrian have changed more
than 10 times since the day Mondrian was born?' cannot be easily done without a lot of
memory
Alexandre
On 24 Nov 2011, at 03:27, Francois Stephany wrote:
I'm wondering: how big is a dataset >
500MB ? I've no idea how big it is.
Alex, what is your use case (in practice!) for more than 500MB?
On 23/11/11 18:25, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> It is problematic, and requires different memory management than we
> currently have.
> I think if you need really big data sets, then use gemstone, which is
> developed to deal with that specifically.
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9:54 a.m.
New subject: [Pharo-project] experience with large images?
source anchors can also take space
nicolas
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On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:08 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
you do not need temp, comment
Not that I know but orion is the way to go if you want to have a lot
of data.
- what
is the level of reification because we reify a lot and it
can be discarded.
We are actually measuring the dependencies a method has. We
therefore need invocations, access to attributes, ... Close to the
maximum level of import then. - did you check the orion model
because with orion you only represent the delta and this is a big
difference.
We haven't checked. Do you know whether Orion is integrated with
Hismo? Can hismo be transparently used with Orion?
Alexandre
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On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Having a reification in Moose of 100 versions of
Mondrian for
example :-)
Just answering the question 'Which classes and methods of Mondrian
have changed more than 10 times since the day Mondrian was born?'
cannot be easily done without a lot of memory
Alexandre
On 24 Nov 2011, at 03:27, Francois Stephany wrote:
> I'm wondering: how big is a dataset > 500MB ? I've no idea how
> big it is.
> Alex, what is your use case (in practice!) for more than 500MB?
>
> On 23/11/11 18:25, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>> It is problematic, and requires different memory management than
>> we
>> currently have.
>> I think if you need really big data sets, then use gemstone,
>> which is
>> developed to deal with that specifically.
>
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