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Tudor Girba

21 Feb 2008 21 Feb '08

12:44 p.m.

Hi, At the moment googling "moose" puts moose.unibe.ch on the third page. I would be nice if we could get a better rank. So, I would kindly ask all those that use Moose to provide a link from your page to the moose website. For other searches we already ok: "moose analysis" -> rank 1 "moose visualization" -> rank 2 If you have suggestions for how to improve the ranking of moose.unibe.ch please share it with us. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com www.tudorgirba.com/blog "What we can governs what we wish."

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Klaus D. Witzel

21 Feb 21 Feb

2:22 p.m.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:44:44 +0100, Doru wrote:

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[some top secrets of SEO] 1] dial http://adwords.google.com/ 2] click "Get keyword ideas" 3] check "Website content" and enter your URL 4] filter results on "show advertiser competition" 5] click the column from 4] for sorting on it 6] decide whether you are niche or mainstream, whether you have vertical or horizontal offering 7] add the by 5]+6] suggested keywords in HTML, pick them from 5] 8] if you can, name your subdirectories with such keywords 9] for each keyword (say, smalltalk), do 9a] http://www.google.com/search?q=smalltalk&gl=US 9b] where US is region you are interested in 9c] repeat from 1] when b/o such results, you reconsider own keywords 9d] ask webmasters of top ranked sites 9a] to link your site/subdirectory I offer to work on (1...9c)-(6...8) if someone else, guided by (1..5), takes responsibility for (6-8), 9b and 9d. Cheers Klaus

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Tudor Girba

3:04 p.m.

Thanks Klaus. I already went over to adwords, but it said that it cannot generate keywords for moose.unibe.ch. If you can take care of 1-5, I would look after the rest. Cheers, Doru On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:22 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:44:44 +0100, Doru wrote:

[some top secrets of SEO] 1] dial http://adwords.google.com/ 2] click "Get keyword ideas" 3] check "Website content" and enter your URL 4] filter results on "show advertiser competition" 5] click the column from 4] for sorting on it 6] decide whether you are niche or mainstream, whether you have vertical or horizontal offering 7] add the by 5]+6] suggested keywords in HTML, pick them from 5] 8] if you can, name your subdirectories with such keywords 9] for each keyword (say, smalltalk), do 9a] http://www.google.com/search?q=smalltalk&gl=US 9b] where US is region you are interested in 9c] repeat from 1] when b/o such results, you reconsider own keywords 9d] ask webmasters of top ranked sites 9a] to link your site/ subdirectory I offer to work on (1...9c)-(6...8) if someone else, guided by (1..5), takes responsibility for (6-8), 9b and 9d. Cheers Klaus

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Klaus D. Witzel

4:49 p.m.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:04:00 +0100, Doru wrote:

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Thanks Klaus. I already went over to adwords, but it said that it cannot generate keywords for moose.unibe.ch.

Yes, that's suddenly the same for me here :( It was not a problem at the time I wrote my response. Will try something.

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If you can take care of 1-5, I would look after the rest.

Okay; you'll get a progress report. Cheers Klaus

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Cheers, Doru On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:22 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:44:44 +0100, Doru wrote:

[some top secrets of SEO] 1] dial http://adwords.google.com/ 2] click "Get keyword ideas" 3] check "Website content" and enter your URL 4] filter results on "show advertiser competition" 5] click the column from 4] for sorting on it 6] decide whether you are niche or mainstream, whether you have vertical or horizontal offering 7] add the by 5]+6] suggested keywords in HTML, pick them from 5] 8] if you can, name your subdirectories with such keywords 9] for each keyword (say, smalltalk), do 9a] http://www.google.com/search?q=smalltalk&gl=US 9b] where US is region you are interested in 9c] repeat from 1] when b/o such results, you reconsider own keywords 9d] ask webmasters of top ranked sites 9a] to link your site/ subdirectory I offer to work on (1...9c)-(6...8) if someone else, guided by (1..5), takes responsibility for (6-8), 9b and 9d. Cheers Klaus

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Klaus D. Witzel

5:23 p.m.

Doru, it "suddenly" worked again. Below is google's view on the moose.unibe.ch site, sorted by google's relevance. That page cannot be copied to a word processor doc or HTML authoring tools, so I copied&pasted the textual parts. In my experience the below is too unspecific; can you please copy all the words from the moose homepage's "publications categories" cloud + keywords from moose's features to the page's HTML keywords. I will then redo. Cheers Klaus ------------- Keywords related to software development custom software development java software development offshore software development outsourcing software development software development software development process software development consulting software development methodology mobile software development collaborative software development iterative software development software development methodologies customized software development software development design testing software development software development platform Keywords related to software engineering software engineering cleanroom software engineering object oriented software engineering software engineering services software engineering resource software engineering universities what is software engineering system software engineering software engineering outsourcing software engineering resources software engineering service Keywords related to software design software design software designer embedded software design software design tool software design methodology Keywords related to software (nothing added to other categories) Keywords related to software testing software testing software testing methodologies embedded software testing offshore software testing software testing method software testing cycle Miscellaneous keywords (too generic, like "Java", "network") On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:49:45 +0100, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:04:00 +0100, Doru wrote:

Thanks Klaus. I already went over to adwords, but it said that it cannot generate keywords for moose.unibe.ch.

Yes, that's suddenly the same for me here :( It was not a problem at the time I wrote my response. Will try something.

If you can take care of 1-5, I would look after the rest.

Okay; you'll get a progress report. Cheers Klaus > Cheers, > Doru > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:22 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: > >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:44:44 +0100, Doru wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> At the moment googling "moose" puts moose.unibe.ch on the third page. >>> I would be nice if we could get a better rank. So, I would kindly ask >>> all those that use Moose to provide a link from your page to the >>> moose >>> website. >>> >>> For other searches we already ok: >>> "moose analysis" -> rank 1 >>> "moose visualization" -> rank 2 >>> >>> If you have suggestions for how to improve the ranking of >>> moose.unibe.ch please share it with us. >> >> [some top secrets of SEO] >> >> 1] dial http://adwords.google.com/ >> 2] click "Get keyword ideas" >> 3] check "Website content" and enter your URL >> 4] filter results on "show advertiser competition" >> 5] click the column from 4] for sorting on it >> 6] decide whether you are niche or mainstream, >> whether you have vertical or horizontal offering >> 7] add the by 5]+6] suggested keywords in HTML, pick them from 5] >> 8] if you can, name your subdirectories with such keywords >> 9] for each keyword (say, smalltalk), do >> 9a] http://www.google.com/search?q=smalltalk&gl=US >> 9b] where US is region you are interested in >> 9c] repeat from 1] when b/o such results, you reconsider own keywords >> 9d] ask webmasters of top ranked sites 9a] to link your site/ >> subdirectory >> >> I offer to work on (1...9c)-(6...8) if someone else, guided by (1..5), >> takes responsibility for (6-8), 9b and 9d. >> >> Cheers >> Klaus >> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.tudorgirba.com/blog >>> >>> "What we can governs what we wish." >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

23 Feb 23 Feb

12:24 a.m.

Thanks Klaus. I added now the tags from the publications cloud to the HTML keywords. The keywords now look like: Moose analysis software technology visualization metrics parsing Java Smalltalk C C++ Python Lisp reverse engineering program comprehension understanding analysis clones clustering components design-recovery detection duploc dynamic dynamic-analysis dynamix evolution famix fca feature traces features hismo history lisp lsi meta-modeling metrics object-flow patterns reengineering refactoring repository semantic van visualization dynamix hapax chronia mondrian But, I did seem to get better results from adwords :(. Any suggestions? Cheers, Doru On Feb 21, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:04:00 +0100, Doru wrote:

Thanks Klaus. I already went over to adwords, but it said that it cannot generate keywords for moose.unibe.ch.

Yes, that's suddenly the same for me here :( It was not a problem at the time I wrote my response. Will try something.

If you can take care of 1-5, I would look after the rest.

Okay; you'll get a progress report. Cheers Klaus > Cheers, > Doru > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:22 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: > >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:44:44 +0100, Doru wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> At the moment googling "moose" puts moose.unibe.ch on the third >>> page. >>> I would be nice if we could get a better rank. So, I would >>> kindly ask >>> all those that use Moose to provide a link from your page to the >>> moose >>> website. >>> >>> For other searches we already ok: >>> "moose analysis" -> rank 1 >>> "moose visualization" -> rank 2 >>> >>> If you have suggestions for how to improve the ranking of >>> moose.unibe.ch please share it with us. >> >> [some top secrets of SEO] >> >> 1] dial http://adwords.google.com/ >> 2] click "Get keyword ideas" >> 3] check "Website content" and enter your URL >> 4] filter results on "show advertiser competition" >> 5] click the column from 4] for sorting on it >> 6] decide whether you are niche or mainstream, >> whether you have vertical or horizontal offering >> 7] add the by 5]+6] suggested keywords in HTML, pick them from 5] >> 8] if you can, name your subdirectories with such keywords >> 9] for each keyword (say, smalltalk), do >> 9a] http://www.google.com/search?q=smalltalk&gl=US >> 9b] where US is region you are interested in >> 9c] repeat from 1] when b/o such results, you reconsider own >> keywords >> 9d] ask webmasters of top ranked sites 9a] to link your site/ >> subdirectory >> >> I offer to work on (1...9c)-(6...8) if someone else, guided by >> (1..5), >> takes responsibility for (6-8), 9b and 9d. >> >> Cheers >> Klaus >> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.tudorgirba.com/blog >>> >>> "What we can governs what we wish." >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Klaus D. Witzel

1:31 a.m.

Hi Doru, on Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:24:14 +0100, you wrote:

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Unless you meant, that you hoped for better adwords results but you didn't get 'em, it wouldn't parse for me.

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Any suggestions?

Better parser? :) No , just joking :) They show you the most expensive (best $revenue$ for them) entries. This is always a problem with keywords "software" + "Java Smalltalk C C++ Python Lisp" + development-cycle-verbs since competition is *huge*. BTW can you remove duplicate keyword(s) and remove singluars, keep plurals. We'll have to wait until their crawler sees the keywords change (2-3 weeks, unless you can check the moose web server's accesslog and see that google's hits). SEO is a long term business ;-) BTW: look at this one, can that page be made link to moose: - http://www.google.com/search?q=famix&gl=US And here are other promising hits, - http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+mondrian&gl=US - http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+dynamix&gl=US - http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+chronia&gl=US it's not that bad :) Do you know of other sites related to moose specific feature keywords (like: dynamix, chronia, mondrian, etc) i.e. keywords which have nothing obvious to to with software/dev/languages (the verbs parsing, understanding, etc, are too common but do keep them). Can sites with moose specific feature keywords be made to link to moose (like the famix example). Cheers Klaus

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Cheers, Doru On Feb 21, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:04:00 +0100, Doru wrote:

Thanks Klaus. I already went over to adwords, but it said that it cannot generate keywords for moose.unibe.ch.

Yes, that's suddenly the same for me here :( It was not a problem at the time I wrote my response. Will try something.

If you can take care of 1-5, I would look after the rest.

Okay; you'll get a progress report. Cheers Klaus > Cheers, > Doru > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:22 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: > >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:44:44 +0100, Doru wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> At the moment googling "moose" puts moose.unibe.ch on the third >>> page. >>> I would be nice if we could get a better rank. So, I would >>> kindly ask >>> all those that use Moose to provide a link from your page to the >>> moose >>> website. >>> >>> For other searches we already ok: >>> "moose analysis" -> rank 1 >>> "moose visualization" -> rank 2 >>> >>> If you have suggestions for how to improve the ranking of >>> moose.unibe.ch please share it with us. >> >> [some top secrets of SEO] >> >> 1] dial http://adwords.google.com/ >> 2] click "Get keyword ideas" >> 3] check "Website content" and enter your URL >> 4] filter results on "show advertiser competition" >> 5] click the column from 4] for sorting on it >> 6] decide whether you are niche or mainstream, >> whether you have vertical or horizontal offering >> 7] add the by 5]+6] suggested keywords in HTML, pick them from 5] >> 8] if you can, name your subdirectories with such keywords >> 9] for each keyword (say, smalltalk), do >> 9a] http://www.google.com/search?q=smalltalk&gl=US >> 9b] where US is region you are interested in >> 9c] repeat from 1] when b/o such results, you reconsider own >> keywords >> 9d] ask webmasters of top ranked sites 9a] to link your site/ >> subdirectory >> >> I offer to work on (1...9c)-(6...8) if someone else, guided by >> (1..5), >> takes responsibility for (6-8), 9b and 9d. >> >> Cheers >> Klaus >> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.tudorgirba.com/blog >>> >>> "What we can governs what we wish." >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Tudor Girba

11:40 a.m.

Hi Klaus,

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But, I did seem to get better results from adwords :(

Unless you meant, that you hoped for better adwords results but you didn't get 'em, it wouldn't parse for me.

Indeed, I hoped for better results :).

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Any suggestions?

Better parser? :)

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No , just joking :) They show you the most expensive (best $revenue$ for them) entries. This is always a problem with keywords "software" + "Java Smalltalk C C++ Python Lisp" + development-cycle- verbs since competition is *huge*. BTW can you remove duplicate keyword(s) and remove singluars, keep plurals.

Done. It now looks like: moose analysis software technology platform environment visualization metrics parsing Java Smalltalk C C++ Python Lisp reverse engineering program comprehension understanding clones clustering components design recovery detection dynamic evolution fca features traces history lisp lsi meta modeling object flow patterns reengineering refactoring repository semantic tool dynamix famix hismo van hapax chronia mondrian quality

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We'll have to wait until their crawler sees the keywords change (2-3 weeks, unless you can check the moose web server's accesslog and see that google's hits). SEO is a long term business ;-) BTW: look at this one, can that page be made link to moose: - http://www.google.com/search?q=famix&gl=US

Good point. Done. Just question: is it better if an old page points to a new one, or is it better if there is a redirect?

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And here are other promising hits, - http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+mondrian&gl=US - http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+dynamix&gl=US - http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+chronia&gl=US it's not that bad :)

:) Indeed. Here are some others: http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+hismo&gl=US http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+hapax&gl=US http://www.google.com/search?q=hismo&gl=US http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+mse&gl=US http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+fm3&gl=US http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+eyesee&gl=US

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Do you know of other sites related to moose specific feature keywords (like: dynamix, chronia, mondrian, etc) i.e. keywords which have nothing obvious to to with software/dev/languages (the verbs parsing, understanding, etc, are too common but do keep them). Can sites with moose specific feature keywords be made to link to moose (like the famix example).

I will search for some more. I changed a couple of more places from smallwiki to point to Moose. For example, the famoosr page pointed to the old page, and now it points to moose.unibe.ch: http://www.google.com/search?q=famoosr&gl=US Cheers, Doru

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Cheers Klaus

Cheers, Doru On Feb 21, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:04:00 +0100, Doru wrote: > Thanks Klaus. > > I already went over to adwords, but it said that it cannot > generate > keywords for moose.unibe.ch. Yes, that's suddenly the same for me here :( It was not a problem at the time I wrote my response. Will try something. > If you can take care of 1-5, I would look after the rest. Okay; you'll get a progress report. Cheers Klaus > Cheers, > Doru > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:22 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: > >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:44:44 +0100, Doru wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> At the moment googling "moose" puts moose.unibe.ch on the third >>> page. >>> I would be nice if we could get a better rank. So, I would >>> kindly ask >>> all those that use Moose to provide a link from your page to the >>> moose >>> website. >>> >>> For other searches we already ok: >>> "moose analysis" -> rank 1 >>> "moose visualization" -> rank 2 >>> >>> If you have suggestions for how to improve the ranking of >>> moose.unibe.ch please share it with us. >> >> [some top secrets of SEO] >> >> 1] dial http://adwords.google.com/ >> 2] click "Get keyword ideas" >> 3] check "Website content" and enter your URL >> 4] filter results on "show advertiser competition" >> 5] click the column from 4] for sorting on it >> 6] decide whether you are niche or mainstream, >> whether you have vertical or horizontal offering >> 7] add the by 5]+6] suggested keywords in HTML, pick them from 5] >> 8] if you can, name your subdirectories with such keywords >> 9] for each keyword (say, smalltalk), do >> 9a] http://www.google.com/search?q=smalltalk&gl=US >> 9b] where US is region you are interested in >> 9c] repeat from 1] when b/o such results, you reconsider own >> keywords >> 9d] ask webmasters of top ranked sites 9a] to link your site/ >> subdirectory >> >> I offer to work on (1...9c)-(6...8) if someone else, guided by >> (1..5), >> takes responsibility for (6-8), 9b and 9d. >> >> Cheers >> Klaus >> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.tudorgirba.com/blog >>> >>> "What we can governs what we wish." >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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