3 Apr
2007
3 Apr
'07
9:56 p.m.
Hi,
I am a newbie to programming and especially Smalltalk/Seaside/Pier.
I've been fuddling around for a while trying to learn more in a
Smalltalk environment that is not exactly set up for *complete*
newbies like me. So with that in mind I thought I would start
collecting all the information I can into one place to help others
who may (foolishly! ;) ) follow me. This might be a bigger
undertaking than I realise just yet - but I'm game to give it a shot.
My sense is that there is a quiet group of people out there wishing
this was already available.
Here is the situation - I am not exactly sure the best way to start.
I have books (I've started with SQEAK - A Quick Trip To Objectland)
and more that I've downloaded from the web. But when it comes to Pier
and Seaside (I know this is a Pier list so we can focus on that
specifically) there is not a lot of help for people in my shoes - and
I've heard this cry elsewhere. For example, even though I'm committed
to learning Smalltalk, is Pier even ready for a non-programmer yet?
So I have set up a website @ http://www.BeatTheDrums.org where I
will start to place all the information I gather or create. I am
currently reading a lot of Lucas Renggli's writings and trying to
grok them :). With his kind permission I will be taking what I learn
from that and re-formating it (in a format that works for novices - I
want to be clear that I am showing no disrespect for his work) and
adding in everything else I discover from this list and elsewhere on
the web. The site itself is in extreme ALPHA right now as I try to
get my head around everything and find a starting point and a way to
structure my "journey".
So, on the advice of Lucas, I am announcing my intentions to the list
(sticking my head out!) and asking for your suggestions and advice.
Lucas did mention that most of you are programmers and not inclined
to document your experiences - so whatever pearls you throw my way
are welcome.
Perhaps I should start with a direct question - If you were a
complete novice how would you approach getting started on Pier, given
that you have no access to any professional Smalltalk education
(schools, classes or user groups).
Thanks
Paul
4 Apr
4 Apr
6:46 a.m.
There is a squeak documentation team (anyone know the wiki link) that would
probably be interested in coordinating efforts with you. What you are
talking about sounds like the kind of help they are looking for.
Thanks,
Jason
From: Paul Bennett <paulbennett(a)cox.net>
Reply-To: "Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ..." <smallwiki(a)iam.unibe.ch>
To: smallwiki(a)iam.unibe.ch
Subject: Documenting Pier
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:56:02 -0700
Hi,
I am a newbie to programming and especially Smalltalk/Seaside/Pier.
I've been fuddling around for a while trying to learn more in a
Smalltalk environment that is not exactly set up for *complete*
newbies like me. So with that in mind I thought I would start
collecting all the information I can into one place to help others
who may (foolishly! ;) ) follow me. This might be a bigger
undertaking than I realise just yet - but I'm game to give it a shot.
My sense is that there is a quiet group of people out there wishing
this was already available.
Here is the situation - I am not exactly sure the best way to start.
I have books (I've started with SQEAK - A Quick Trip To Objectland)
and more that I've downloaded from the web. But when it comes to Pier
and Seaside (I know this is a Pier list so we can focus on that
specifically) there is not a lot of help for people in my shoes - and
I've heard this cry elsewhere. For example, even though I'm committed
to learning Smalltalk, is Pier even ready for a non-programmer yet?
So I have set up a website @ http://www.BeatTheDrums.org where I
will start to place all the information I gather or create. I am
currently reading a lot of Lucas Renggli's writings and trying to
grok them :). With his kind permission I will be taking what I learn
from that and re-formating it (in a format that works for novices - I
want to be clear that I am showing no disrespect for his work) and
adding in everything else I discover from this list and elsewhere on
the web. The site itself is in extreme ALPHA right now as I try to
get my head around everything and find a starting point and a way to
structure my "journey".
So, on the advice of Lucas, I am announcing my intentions to the list
(sticking my head out!) and asking for your suggestions and advice.
Lucas did mention that most of you are programmers and not inclined
to document your experiences - so whatever pearls you throw my way
are welcome.
Perhaps I should start with a direct question - If you were a
complete novice how would you approach getting started on Pier, given
that you have no access to any professional Smalltalk education
(schools, classes or user groups).
Thanks
Paul
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7:15 a.m.
J J wrote:
There is a squeak documentation team (anyone know the
wiki link)
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2983
that would
probably be interested in coordinating efforts with you.
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/808
What you are
talking about sounds like the kind of help they are looking for.
Thanks,
Jason
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From: Paul Bennett <paulbennett(a)cox.net>
Reply-To: "Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ..."
<smallwiki(a)iam.unibe.ch>
To: smallwiki(a)iam.unibe.ch
Subject: Documenting Pier
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:56:02 -0700
Hi,
I am a newbie to programming and especially Smalltalk/Seaside/Pier.
I've been fuddling around for a while trying to learn more in a
Smalltalk environment that is not exactly set up for *complete*
newbies like me. So with that in mind I thought I would start
collecting all the information I can into one place to help others
who may (foolishly! ;) ) follow me. This might be a bigger
undertaking than I realise just yet - but I'm game to give it a shot.
My sense is that there is a quiet group of people out there wishing
this was already available.
Here is the situation - I am not exactly sure the best way to start.
I have books (I've started with SQEAK - A Quick Trip To Objectland)
and more that I've downloaded from the web. But when it comes to Pier
and Seaside (I know this is a Pier list so we can focus on that
specifically) there is not a lot of help for people in my shoes - and
I've heard this cry elsewhere. For example, even though I'm committed
to learning Smalltalk, is Pier even ready for a non-programmer yet?
So I have set up a website @ http://www.BeatTheDrums.org where I
will start to place all the information I gather or create. I am
currently reading a lot of Lucas Renggli's writings and trying to
grok them :). With his kind permission I will be taking what I learn
from that and re-formating it (in a format that works for novices - I
want to be clear that I am showing no disrespect
for his work) and
adding in everything else I discover from this list and elsewhere on
the web. The site itself is in extreme ALPHA right now as I try to
get my head around everything and find a starting point and a way to
structure my "journey".
So, on the advice of Lucas, I am announcing my intentions to the list
(sticking my head out!) and asking for your suggestions and advice.
Lucas did mention that most of you are programmers and not inclined
to document your experiences - so whatever pearls you throw my way
are welcome.
Perhaps I should start with a direct question - If you were a
complete novice how would you approach getting started on Pier, given
that you have no access to any professional Smalltalk education
(schools, classes or user groups).
Thanks
Paul
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18 Sep
18 Sep
12:15 a.m.
New subject: PRHtmlWriter?
Is there a way to translate a Pier document to html? For example,
PRWikiWriter write: (PRDocumentParser parse: '!Hello World')
translates into the original Pier document. Is there something like
PRHtmlWriter that would translate the above into '<h1>Hello
World</h1>'?
Thanks, Brian.
8:10 a.m.
New subject: PRHtmlWriter?
Is there a way to translate a Pier document to html?
For example,
PRWikiWriter write: (PRDocumentParser parse: '!Hello World')
translates into the original Pier document. Is there something like
PRHtmlWriter that would translate the above into '<h1>Hello World</
h1>'?
r := PRViewRenderer new.
d := WAHtmlStreamDocument new.
d stream: String new writeStream.
r renderer: (WAStaticHtmlCanvas document: d).
r start: (PRDocumentParser parse: '!Hello World').
d stream contents
This only works as long as you don't have anchors and other
interactions that require a full Seaside renderer. If you need a more
sophisticated plain HTML renderer, then it is probably worth to write
your own Visitor class.
Lukas
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
10:34 a.m.
New subject: PRHtmlWriter?
On 18/09/2007, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
Hi Brian,
Last year ond of our students did precisely that as a project. Have a look at
http://www.squeaksource.com/StaticPierGen.html
--
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type less, do more [ | ] http://typo.cdlm.fasmz.org
Is there a way
to translate a Pier document to html? For example,
This only works as long as you
don't have anchors and other
interactions that require a full Seaside renderer. If you need a more
sophisticated plain HTML renderer, then it is probably worth to write
your own Visitor class.
4:56 p.m.
New subject: PRHtmlWriter?
Thanks Lukas and Damien,
StaticPierGen looks like just the tool I need; however, am having
trouble with this line in SPGStructureVisitor>>initialize:
currentDirectory := Cwd / 'staticPier'.
Cwd appears to be a global intended to be the current working
directory, but FileDirectory doesn't have a #/ method. Any hints on
what Cwd is?
Thanks in advance, Brian.
On Sep 18, 2007, at 2:34 AM, Damien Pollet wrote:
On 18/09/2007, Lukas Renggli
<renggli(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
Hi Brian,
Last year ond of our students did precisely that as a project. Have
a look at
http://www.squeaksource.com/StaticPierGen.html
--
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://typo.cdlm.fasmz.org
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Is there
a way to translate a Pier document to html? For example,
This only works as long as
you don't have anchors and other
interactions that require a full Seaside renderer. If you need a more
sophisticated plain HTML renderer, then it is probably worth to write
your own Visitor class.
5:43 p.m.
New subject: PRHtmlWriter?
On 18/09/2007, Brian Murphy-Dye <brian(a)murphydye.com> wrote:
Cwd appears to be a global intended to be the current
working
directory, but FileDirectory doesn't have a #/ method. Any hints on
what Cwd is?
That's Rio, also available from SqueakSource.
It's a library for files inspired from Ruby.
On Sep 18, 2007, at 2:34 AM, Damien Pollet wrote:
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On 18/09/2007, Lukas Renggli
<renggli(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
Hi Brian,
Last year ond of our students did precisely that as a project. Have
a look at
http://www.squeaksource.com/StaticPierGen.html
--
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://typo.cdlm.fasmz.org
Is there
a way to translate a Pier document to html? For example,
This only works as long as
you don't have anchors and other
interactions that require a full Seaside renderer. If you need a more
sophisticated plain HTML renderer, then it is probably worth to write
your own Visitor class. _______________________________________________
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25 Sep
25 Sep
12:56 a.m.
New subject: PRHtmlWriter?
Ah, that's kind of cool for converting a whole pier content to static
files, but my needs are more modest -- just converting one wiki page
to an html string. Lukas' suggestion was pretty easy to get working.
Also easily created a PRComment with markup of '//' to enable
embedding comments into the wiki code. It's nice how easy it is to
extend; will have find more time to experiment!
Brian.
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Damien Pollet wrote:
On 18/09/2007, Brian Murphy-Dye
<brian(a)murphydye.com> wrote:
Cwd appears to be a global intended to be the
current working
directory, but FileDirectory doesn't have a #/ method. Any hints on
what Cwd is?
That's Rio, also available from SqueakSource.
It's a library for files inspired from Ruby.
On Sep 18, 2007, at 2:34 AM, Damien Pollet
wrote:
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https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki On 18/09/2007, Lukas Renggli
<renggli(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
> Is there a way to translate a Pier document
to html? For example,
This only works as long as you don't have anchors and other
interactions that require a full Seaside renderer. If you need a
more
sophisticated plain HTML renderer, then it is probably worth to
write
your own Visitor class.
Hi Brian,
Last year ond of our students did precisely that as a project. Have
a look at
http://www.squeaksource.com/StaticPierGen.html
--
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://typo.cdlm.fasmz.org
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