Dear All, I have updated the repository with all of my mods. I do hope you like them. I sincerely apologize in advance that my code quality may be fairly appalling at times. (... myriad of excuses snipped....) I rest in the knowledge that Lukas' is likely to be fairly tough on anything that makes it through into the mainstream. I have tried to be gentle on the core, indeed I have backed out some of my more radical changes. I have begun to think about providing/using a framework for testing, and so there is much more scope for improving things now. To load Pier-Magma with tests you will also need Magma-sunit , a new package in MagmaTester upon which PRMagmaPersistencyTest depends. dont forget that for the faint hearted there is a preloaded image with all of this in (see previous emails) best regards Keith Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com