26 Jul
2009
26 Jul
'09
7:44 a.m.
Hi Folks,
I was fairly excited to stumble across Pier as this is a system that I
was actually intending to write for a client. There are a ton of CMS's
out there, but none of them as far as I know allow one to edit in
place the entire system, other than say CMSbox, which is out of reach
where I live.
I envisioned a little more Ajax+Scriptaculous goodness in the update
process, and also a preview-accept transaction in the editing process.
Since I use Ruby on Rails in my day job, I was intending to use that
as well, since I know it well, and I'm only getting started using
Seaside for toy projects.
Pier seems to be pretty much what I need out of 'out of the box',
excepting the points I made above. However, I'm curious why 'Pier
Syntax' was developed instead of using an already popular markup like
Textile? Are there any plans to use other markups besides 'Pier
Syntax' ? I haven't looked at the code yet, but if there are no plans
for any other Markup, how hard do you think it would be to implement a
different markup besides Pier Syntax for a professional programmer
that knows some Smalltalk, say like, oh, I don't know, Textile? :)
Thanks!
DZ
26 Jul
26 Jul
9:11 a.m.
Pier seems to be pretty much what I need out of
'out of the box', excepting the points I made above. However, I'm curious why
'Pier Syntax' was developed instead of using an already popular markup like
Textile? Are there any plans to use other markups besides 'Pier Syntax' ? I
haven't looked at the code yet, but if there are no plans for any other Markup, how
hard do you think it would be to implement a different markup besides Pier Syntax for a
professional programmer that knows some Smalltalk, say like, oh, I don't know,
Textile? :)
The Pier Syntax dates back to SmallWiki (2002) and SWiki (even much
older). I don't think there was Textile at that time.
Pier theoretically supports different parsers. Currently you need to
patch 2 methods to make a different one work, not nice but that could
be improved. I have an working but unfinished parser for Creole lying
around already for years.
Cheers,
Lukas
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
10:16 a.m.
Hi Daniel,
Welcome to Pier. Can I ask how did you hear of it?
Cheers,
Doru
On 26 Jul 2009, at 09:11, Lukas Renggli wrote:
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"Beauty is where we see it."
Pier seems to
be pretty much what I need out of 'out of the box',
excepting the points I made above. However, I'm curious why 'Pier
Syntax' was developed instead of using an already popular markup
like Textile? Are there any plans to use other markups besides
'Pier Syntax' ? I haven't looked at the code yet, but if there are
no plans for any other Markup, how hard do you think it would be to
implement a different markup besides Pier Syntax for a professional
programmer that knows some Smalltalk, say like, oh, I don't know,
Textile? :)
The Pier Syntax dates back to SmallWiki (2002) and SWiki (even much
older). I don't think there was Textile at that time.
Pier theoretically supports different parsers. Currently you need to
patch 2 methods to make a different one work, not nice but that could
be improved. I have an working but unfinished parser for Creole lying
around already for years.
Cheers,
Lukas
--
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
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10:03 p.m.
On Jul 26, 2009, at 3:16 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Daniel,
Welcome to Pier.
Thank you!
Can I ask how did you hear of it?
Hi, I believe I first "heard" about it on the "Weekly Squeak" I have
an on-again-off-again relationship with Squeak/Smalltalk. I've been
teaching my kids programming with Squeak for awhile now, and I've
known about Squeak/SmallTalk for, it seems like forever. I have this
weird situation where I'm familiar with some things in Squeak, but am
a rank newbie with other things.
DZ
Cheers,
Doru
10:03 p.m.
Lukas Renggli wrote:
Is this the GSOC project which implemented creole?
Keith
Pier seems to
be pretty much what I need out of 'out of the box', excepting the points I made
above. However, I'm curious why 'Pier Syntax' was developed instead of using
an already popular markup like Textile? Are there any plans to use other markups besides
'Pier Syntax' ? I haven't looked at the code yet, but if there are no plans
for any other Markup, how hard do you think it would be to implement a different markup
besides Pier Syntax for a professional programmer that knows some Smalltalk, say like, oh,
I don't know, Textile? :)
The Pier Syntax dates back to SmallWiki (2002) and SWiki (even much
older). I don't think there was Textile at that time.
Pier theoretically supports different parsers. Currently you need to
patch 2 methods to make a different one work, not nice but that could
be improved. I have an working but unfinished parser for Creole lying
around already for years.
Cheers,
Lukas
28 Jul
28 Jul
9:18 p.m.
no
lukas implemented creole and helvetia
Stef
On Jul 26, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Keith Hodges wrote:
Lukas Renggli wrote:
Is this the GSOC project which implemented creole?
Keith
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Pier
seems to be pretty much what I need out of 'out of the box',
excepting the points I made above. However, I'm curious why 'Pier
Syntax' was developed instead of using an already popular markup
like Textile? Are there any plans to use other markups besides
'Pier Syntax' ? I haven't looked at the code yet, but if there are
no plans for any other Markup, how hard do you think it would be
to implement a different markup besides Pier Syntax for a
professional programmer that knows some Smalltalk, say like, oh, I
don't know, Textile? :)
The Pier Syntax dates back to SmallWiki (2002) and SWiki (even much
older). I don't think there was Textile at that time.
Pier theoretically supports different parsers. Currently you need to
patch 2 methods to make a different one work, not nice but that could
be improved. I have an working but unfinished parser for Creole lying
around already for years.
Cheers,
Lukas
26 Jul
26 Jul
10:25 p.m.
On Jul 26, 2009, at 2:11 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
Ah, I see. I didn't know it was based on something much older. IIRC
Textile was around about 2002-2004, but probably not as popular as it
is now.
Pier seems to
be pretty much what I need out of 'out of the box',
excepting the points I made above. However, I'm curious why 'Pier
Syntax' was developed instead of using an already popular markup
like Textile? Are there any plans to use other markups besides
'Pier Syntax' ? I haven't looked at the code yet, but if there are
no plans for any other Markup, how hard do you think it would be to
implement a different markup besides Pier Syntax for a professional
programmer that knows some Smalltalk, say like, oh, I don't know,
Textile? :)
The Pier Syntax dates back to SmallWiki (2002) and SWiki (even much
older). I don't think there was Textile at that time.
Pier theoretically supports different parsers. Currently you need to
patch 2 methods to make a different one work, not nice but that could
be improved. I have an working but unfinished parser for Creole lying
around already for years.
What I want is a CMS that uses in-place editing, but without using a
crappy WYSIWYG javascript editor, like TinyMCE or OpenWYSIWYG. Not to
insult those implementations, but I always seem to run into problems
using them, and so I prefer using a Wiki editing approach like using
Textile.
Pier is almost perfect, except that it uses Pier Syntax instead of
Textile. I personally don't have a problem with that, but using Pier
without a Textile parser means teaching my users yet another Markup.
Getting them to accept Textile was painful enough, I'd rather code a
Textile parser for Pier rather than teach them Pier Syntax :)
I'm not sure my Smalltalk skills are up to that task or not. I'm
certainly willing to try though.
DZ
Cheers,
Lukas
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
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