Another thing that sort of caught me off guard when setting up pier with bootstrap was the idea that i could immediately start editing the template before logging in. is the idea that we need to change the visibility/ownership of the template to admin before deploying? i also noticed that the template was showing up in my menu. should this be the case? -- ---- peace, sergio photographer, journalist, visionary #BitMessage BM-2D8VWUJSS41RFKh1ec83preVabHrnniExa http://www.Village-Buzz.com http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com http://www.CodingForHire.com http://www.coffee-black.com http://www.painlessfrugality.com http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 http://www.facebook.com/sergio101