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Alexandre Bergel

14 Nov 2008 14 Nov '08

2:22 p.m.

Dear List, I recently set up a Pier on seasidehosting for the conference software composition 2009. The website has been up for a couple of days already. When I google: software composition 2009 I have no hit on http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/pier . Any idea why? I have no experience with google ranking. I do not think that using pier and seasidehosting prevent google from indexing this website. Anyone can confirm this please? Regards, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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Philippe Marschall

14 Nov 14 Nov

2:30 p.m.

2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>eu>:

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You can try: http://www.a3aan.st/Sunrise/Sitemap+for+Pier but that requires access to the Apache. Cheers Philippe

Alexandre Bergel

4:23 p.m.

Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be indexed by google ? I hope this is not the case... Alexandre On 14 Nov 2008, at 10:30, Philippe Marschall wrote:

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2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>eu>:

You can try: http://www.a3aan.st/Sunrise/Sitemap+for+Pier but that requires access to the Apache. Cheers Philippe _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

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Alexandre Bergel

4:30 p.m.

Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be indexed by google ? I hope this is not the case... We set up a redirection http://www.2009.software-composition.org/ This will help in getting indexed by google? Alexandre On 14 Nov 2008, at 10:30, Philippe Marschall wrote:

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2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>eu>:

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Damien Pollet

7:43 p.m.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote:

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Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be indexed by google ? I hope this is not the case...

No. But it will index URLs with different seaside keys as different pages, instead of ignoring the keys (if I'm understanding correctly)

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We set up a redirection http://www.2009.software-composition.org/ This will help in getting indexed by google?

Depends what you mean by redirection. The links on the web site point to seasidehosting but the URL bar in the browser stays on the URL above so I'm not sure what it's doing. In any case, it would help if the sitemap plugin in pier was automatically listening on a "correct" url like /seaside/pier/sitemap.xml. Probably just a matter of giving that name to the structure, but I'm not sure if the SitemapDownloadPlainView command will be set accordingly… -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

Alexandre Bergel

15 Nov 15 Nov

2:27 a.m.

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Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be indexed by google ? I hope this is not the case...

No. But it will index URLs with different seaside keys as different pages, instead of ignoring the keys (if I'm understanding correctly)

This means that the website will not be well ranked

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We set up a redirection http://www.2009.software-composition.org/ This will help in getting indexed by google?

But Apache is needed for this no ? And Seasidehosting does not use it it seems to... Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Lukas Renggli

8:40 a.m.

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But Apache is needed for this no ? And Seasidehosting does not use it it seems to...

Did you read the FAQ? seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Alexandre Bergel

24 Nov 24 Nov

8:47 p.m.

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Did you read the FAQ?

The word "google" and "apache" does not appear in the list of questions when pressing "Support/FAQ"

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seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.

Googling: software composition 2009 does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org Am I not sure where the problem come from. My page comes first where I put a link on it. I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org Is this normal? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Lukas Renggli

9:03 p.m.

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Giuseppe Luigi Punzi Ruiz

9:21 p.m.

Are you sure? El 24/11/2008, a las 20:47, Alexandre Bergel escribió:

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Did you read the FAQ?

The word "google" and "apache" does not appear in the list of questions when pressing "Support/FAQ"

seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.

stéphane ducasse

9:27 p.m.

this is the same for me On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:03 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

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software composition 2009

Adrian Lienhard

9:33 p.m.

Hi Alex Here are some suggestions: - make as many important sites as possible link to your site (your page rank is 0..) - provide a sitemap.xml and link it from robots.txt - with Google webmaster tools regster the sitemap.xml - do not use frames (this is last century ;)) - add more content so that the important keywords are included in the text - add meta keywords and a description HTH, Adrian On Nov 24, 2008, at 20:47 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:

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Did you read the FAQ?

The word "google" and "apache" does not appear in the list of questions when pressing "Support/FAQ"

seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.

Philippe Marschall

10:05 p.m.

2008/11/24, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch>ch>:

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- have a look at the feedback Google webmaster tools provides Cheers Philippe

Alexandre Bergel

25 Nov 25 Nov

4:31 a.m.

Google enable one to enter link for a given set of keywords. I added them this morning. Maybe this is why now. But I have completely different results than what Giuseppe showed... amazing Alexandre On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:03, Lukas Renggli wrote:

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I don't know what you are talking about? It shows up first for me. This might not be the case for everybody, as Google provides different results depending on your personal profile. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

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Baskakov Daniel

8:50 a.m.

Hmm... It looks like Search widget allows to walk on inner pages (Metas, Pier Syntax etc.). Is it a security problem? Daniel. 2008/11/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>eu>:

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Lukas Renggli

9:39 a.m.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Baskakov Daniel <gdaniq(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hmm... It looks like Search widget allows to walk on inner pages (Metas, Pier Syntax etc.). Is it a security problem?

It is not strictly a bug, because the inner pages are not hidden. Hoever it is a bit strange from the end user perspective, so I changed the widgets to not display structures that have a hidden parent. At the same time I simplified the settings for the highlighting. Name: Pier-Seaside-lr.320 Author: lr Time: 25 November 2008, 9:38:14 am UUID: 7c980953-92ea-4105-8e92-7b5d026bd2b1 Ancestors: Pier-Seaside-lr.319 - do not display a structure in the widget if one of the parents is hidden - removed properties highlight and highlight path, instead add the classes 'active' and 'path' if appropriate Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Tudor Girba

9:44 a.m.

He, that is a nice one. I have been thinking about adding a searchable checkbox, but I think this solution is simpler and should work just fine. Cheers, Doru On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Baskakov Daniel <gdaniq(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hmm... It looks like Search widget allows to walk on inner pages (Metas, Pier Syntax etc.). Is it a security problem?

-- www.tudorgirba.com www.tudorgirba.com/blog "When people care, great things can happen."

Lukas Renggli

11:18 a.m.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Tudor Girba <girba(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote:

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He, that is a nice one. I have been thinking about adding a searchable checkbox, but I think this solution is simpler and should work just fine.

Yeah, let's reduce the number of checkboxes ;-) Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

stéphane ducasse

6:35 p.m.

for me you are the first one. Stef On Nov 25, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

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Adrian Lienhard
Alexandre Bergel
Baskakov Daniel
Damien Pollet
Giuseppe Luigi Punzi Ruiz
Lukas Renggli
Philippe Marschall
stéphane ducasse
Tudor Girba