On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 10:49 +0200, Lukas Renggli wrote: I can't find any 'Document" in my pier installation. I added +document+ in my environment but the only thing I could select is a PRDocumentWidget nothing else with document in it. And there is no instance of PRComponent that is called 'Document'. Is this something very new? I'm on gemstone so this should be pier 1.1, right? Norbert

Hi Norbert, Just embed the document in the environment and you will get an extra place to fill text in when you edit a page with that environment. Cheers, Doru On 17 May 2009, at 11:17, Lukas Renggli wrote: -- www.tudorgirba.com "Yesterday is a fact. Tomorrow is a possibility. Today is a challenge."

Hi Norbert, Thanks for the feedback. Just to clarify the terms. When we mention verbs related to Pier manipulation, we refer to commands. So, to edit a page means to invoke the Edit command on that page. When we refer to other types of edits we typically name them (e.g., Settings, Edit Design). Related to Document/PRDocumentWidget, the first refers to the way a regular user sees the widget in the Pier UI (when choosing the component class), and the second refers to the name of the Smalltalk class. I understood that you were taking a user point of view, so I am actually confused about how you see PRDocumentWidget in the drop down list when selecting the component class. Cheers, Doru On 17 May 2009, at 13:11, Norbert Hartl wrote: -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing should have the right to be different."

Definitely. Pier normally does not display Smalltalk related concepts in the UI. Yes. This requires you to update to the very latest versions of Magritte-Core, Magritte-Seaside, Pier-Core and Pier-Seaside. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Norbert, I've submitted a GemStone bug on this, so you should look forward to fix in the next week or so... Dale ----- "Norbert Hartl" <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: | On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 13:48 +0200, Tudor Girba wrote: | > Hi Norbert, | > | > Thanks for the feedback. | > | > Just to clarify the terms. | > | > When we mention verbs related to Pier manipulation, we refer to | > commands. So, to edit a page means to invoke the Edit command on | that | > page. When we refer to other types of edits we typically name them | | > (e.g., Settings, Edit Design). | > | > Related to Document/PRDocumentWidget, the first refers to the way a | | > regular user sees the widget in the Pier UI (when choosing the | > component class), and the second refers to the name of the Smalltalk | | > class. | > | > I understood that you were taking a user point of view, so I am | > actually confused about how you see PRDocumentWidget in the drop | down | > list when selecting the component class. | | I see only the class names in the drop down. Maybe this is something | gemstone dependent. | | Norbert | > Cheers, | > Doru | > | > | > On 17 May 2009, at 13:11, Norbert Hartl wrote: | > | > > On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 11:20 +0200, Tudor Girba wrote: | > >> Hi Norbert, | > >> | > >> Just embed the document in the environment and you will get an | extra | > >> place to fill text in when you edit a page with that | environment. | > >> | > > Thanks, but it is really hard to understand what you are writing. | > > For me as a user of pier "the document" has no meaning. For me it | > > would be "embed a PRDocumentWidget component into the | environment". | > > And the phrase "when you edit a page" is right but for me there | are | > > so many ways to edit things in pier I didn't figure out you mean | > > "_the_ Edit" :) | > > And while I didn't expect it on the same page where I edit the | > > contents of a page I overlooked the extra textinput field the | first | > > time. | > > | > > thanks again, | > > | > > Norbert | > > | > >> Cheers, | > >> Doru | > >> | > >> On 17 May 2009, at 11:17, Lukas Renggli wrote: | > >> | > >>> Yes, the PRDocumentWidget is the right thing. I don't know its | | > >>> status | > >>> on GemStone, but it is already quite an old plugin. | > >>> | > >>> Lukas | > >>> | > >>> On Sunday, May 17, 2009, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> | wrote: | > >>>> On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 10:49 +0200, Lukas Renggli wrote: | > >>>>>> Or is there another way to accomplish the same? | > >>>>> | > >>>>> Embed the component 'Document' into your environment. This | enables | > >>>>> another editable area on every page. In the settings of the | > >>>>> component | > >>>>> you can specify a default document and tell it to inherit the | > >>>>> document | > >>>>> from the parent page, if you want. | > >>>>> | > >>>> I can't find any 'Document" in my pier installation. I added | > >>>> | > >>>> +document+ | > >>>> | > >>>> in my environment but the only thing I could select is a | > >>>> PRDocumentWidget nothing else with document in it. And there | > >>>> is no instance of PRComponent that is called 'Document'. Is | > >>>> this something very new? I'm on gemstone so this should be | > >>>> pier 1.1, right? | > >>>> | > >>>> Norbert | > >>>> | > >>>> _______________________________________________ | > >>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | > >>>> | > >>> | > >>> -- | > >>> Lukas Renggli | > >>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch | > >>> _______________________________________________ | > >>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | > >> | > >> -- | > >> www.tudorgirba.com | > >> | > >> "Yesterday is a fact. | > >> Tomorrow is a possibility. | > >> Today is a challenge." | > >> | > >> | > >> | > >> _______________________________________________ | > >> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | > > | > > _______________________________________________ | > > Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | > | > -- | > www.tudorgirba.com | > | > "Every thing should have the right to be different." | > | > | > | > _______________________________________________ | > Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | | _______________________________________________ | Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

Norbert, If you've got some more detail, I'd appreciate it, especially if the fix is just use the correct set of package versions. Dale ----- "Norbert Hartl" <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: | On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 12:19 -0700, Dale Henrichs wrote: | > Norbert, | > | > I've submitted a GemStone bug on this, so you should look forward to | fix in the next week or so... | > | Great! I could send you my findings but it seems it just happens | because of the version mismatch. | | Norbert | > Dale | > ----- "Norbert Hartl" <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: | > | > | On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 13:48 +0200, Tudor Girba wrote: | > | > Hi Norbert, | > | > | > | > Thanks for the feedback. | > | > | > | > Just to clarify the terms. | > | > | > | > When we mention verbs related to Pier manipulation, we refer to | | > | > commands. So, to edit a page means to invoke the Edit command | on | > | that | > | > page. When we refer to other types of edits we typically name | them | > | | > | > (e.g., Settings, Edit Design). | > | > | > | > Related to Document/PRDocumentWidget, the first refers to the | way a | > | | > | > regular user sees the widget in the Pier UI (when choosing the | | > | > component class), and the second refers to the name of the | Smalltalk | > | | > | > class. | > | > | > | > I understood that you were taking a user point of view, so I am | | > | > actually confused about how you see PRDocumentWidget in the | drop | > | down | > | > list when selecting the component class. | > | | > | I see only the class names in the drop down. Maybe this is | something | > | gemstone dependent. | > | | > | Norbert | > | > Cheers, | > | > Doru | > | > | > | > | > | > On 17 May 2009, at 13:11, Norbert Hartl wrote: | > | > | > | > > On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 11:20 +0200, Tudor Girba wrote: | > | > >> Hi Norbert, | > | > >> | > | > >> Just embed the document in the environment and you will get | an | > | extra | > | > >> place to fill text in when you edit a page with that | > | environment. | > | > >> | > | > > Thanks, but it is really hard to understand what you are | writing. | > | > > For me as a user of pier "the document" has no meaning. For me | it | > | > > would be "embed a PRDocumentWidget component into the | > | environment". | > | > > And the phrase "when you edit a page" is right but for me | there | > | are | > | > > so many ways to edit things in pier I didn't figure out you | mean | > | > > "_the_ Edit" :) | > | > > And while I didn't expect it on the same page where I edit | the | > | > > contents of a page I overlooked the extra textinput field the | > | first | > | > > time. | > | > > | > | > > thanks again, | > | > > | > | > > Norbert | > | > > | > | > >> Cheers, | > | > >> Doru | > | > >> | > | > >> On 17 May 2009, at 11:17, Lukas Renggli wrote: | > | > >> | > | > >>> Yes, the PRDocumentWidget is the right thing. I don't know | its | > | | > | > >>> status | > | > >>> on GemStone, but it is already quite an old plugin. | > | > >>> | > | > >>> Lukas | > | > >>> | > | > >>> On Sunday, May 17, 2009, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> | > | wrote: | > | > >>>> On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 10:49 +0200, Lukas Renggli wrote: | > | > >>>>>> Or is there another way to accomplish the same? | > | > >>>>> | > | > >>>>> Embed the component 'Document' into your environment. | This | > | enables | > | > >>>>> another editable area on every page. In the settings of | the | > | > >>>>> component | > | > >>>>> you can specify a default document and tell it to inherit | the | > | > >>>>> document | > | > >>>>> from the parent page, if you want. | > | > >>>>> | > | > >>>> I can't find any 'Document" in my pier installation. I | added | > | > >>>> | > | > >>>> +document+ | > | > >>>> | > | > >>>> in my environment but the only thing I could select is a | > | > >>>> PRDocumentWidget nothing else with document in it. And | there | > | > >>>> is no instance of PRComponent that is called 'Document'. | Is | > | > >>>> this something very new? I'm on gemstone so this should be | > | > >>>> pier 1.1, right? | > | > >>>> | > | > >>>> Norbert | > | > >>>> | > | > >>>> _______________________________________________ | > | > >>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > | > >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | > | > >>>> | > | > >>> | > | > >>> -- | > | > >>> Lukas Renggli | > | > >>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch | > | > >>> _______________________________________________ | > | > >>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > | > >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | > | > >> | > | > >> -- | > | > >> www.tudorgirba.com | > | > >> | > | > >> "Yesterday is a fact. | > | > >> Tomorrow is a possibility. | > | > >> Today is a challenge." | > | > >> | > | > >> | > | > >> | > | > >> _______________________________________________ | > | > >> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > | > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | > | > > | > | > > _______________________________________________ | > | > > Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > | > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | > | > | > | > -- | > | > www.tudorgirba.com | > | > | > | > "Every thing should have the right to be different." | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > _______________________________________________ | > | > Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > | > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | > | | > | _______________________________________________ | > | Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > | https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki | > _______________________________________________ | > Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... | > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 11:17 +0200, Lukas Renggli wrote: I had anoter look and Pier-Documents in my gemstone is Pier-Documents-lr.12 from http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pieraddons That is strange. I upgrade to -lr.14 but it doesn't work. Probably I would need a magritte update for parameterName: ? And renderInstance? I saw in PRHaloRenderer but nowhere else. Norbert