Great news guys. Its hard work keeping up! If pier is going for "the big time", how about integrating some stuff as standard. For example the Pier-Jetsam-Debugging stuff. This adds preferences that enable debugging halts in various situations. I cant manage without it, but then my code has more bugs than yours. Second up, the PRPierFrameCentralised (from Pier-Jetsam-Environment), move all layout/style/default content configuration to the one class. best regards Keith _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki