9 Dec
2004
9 Dec
'04
4:34 p.m.
Of course, that is what I said, if you want to make money with SmallWiki
and don't want to share in the profits then you must use the Squeak
version. For myself I find it perfectly natural to share my profits with a
company who I use its products in some way. I don't like to abuse or take
advantage of others. For most situations especially if you are a small
company it amounts to a smaller percentage than the sales tax I have to
pay to the state of NY i.e. worst case it probably amounts to about 6% of
whatever item I may for example sell on my wiki. If you don't want to eat
the 6% then pass it on to your customers, if they turn away from you for
6% then they just did not like your product enough, unless you were
selling multi-million dollar jet planes in which case maybe 6% starts to
become a drag. BTW, if you are not making money then you are not in a
"commercial" setting, you are doing R&D. Now if one is so presumptuous to
announce to the world that your R&D is so good that it will for sure
become a commercial product then one should pay for one's arrogance and
possibly stupidity. Of course , if one now gets 1 million dollars in
venture capital , forms a LLC etc then that sounds to me like a commercial
setting. As far as the developer's license that is subtracted from your
overall fees to Cincom. You do not need to talk to a Cincom sales rep
until you are ready to make money. If you are a guy in a garage coding but
you are not making money then you are not in a "commercial" setting. You
can hope to eventually be, you can pretend with your friends that you are,
but you are not. So don't tell Cincom that you are. Everything is
allright. Code. When you are ready to make money, pay the people that help
you make money their due. It is just the right thing to do.
-Charles
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:16:48 +0100, Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch>
wrote:
Am 09.12.2004 um 15:09 schrieb Charles A. Monteiro:
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Charles A. Monteiro
I am running a SmallWiki for the NYC Smalltalk
user's group. I can run
it because I am not engaging in commerce i.e. it runs on a
non-commercial license, to that extent it is very clear what one can
and can not do. Not sure why you all are having such a difficulty in
understanding this. If somebody wants to make money with SmallWiki and
finds it offensive to share with the technology partner that creates
the tools which allow one to run and enhance SmallWiki then said
individual would have to use Squeak. BTW, BottomFeeder does not have
"this issue" as you put it because it is a non-commercial product
therefore it can use the "non-commercial" license.
SmallWiki is a non-commercial product, too. Yet everybody *using* it in
a commercial setting has to have a *developers* license.
We asked. This is official Cincom policy. The same is true for other
projects, e.g. Moose and CodeCrawler.
Marcus