Re: Pier v. Plone

Lukas Renggli wrote: I can certainly understand that. Only for comparison, please. :) Super! I understand you can't compete alone. But possibly if we started an issue tracker with things that the community would like to see in a Pier distribution so that we have a target to work towards. Then little by little we can improve Pier to where Pier can be a top contender in the CMS marketplace. At least so that those of who choose Smalltalk can use the tool of our choice and be able to justify it to any PHB as necessary. :) As I thought. It would be nice to start learning what those areas are from those experienced in both. Hopefully start adding them to the above issue tracker. I was watching a presentation on b-org: Creating content types the Plone 2.5 way. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4512976899640436688&q=plone+du… It seemed the methodology he was using was also applicable to Plone 3. One guy during the presentation spoke of having to touch 16 files in order to create content types following this model which was spoken of as being a best practice. I would say as far as easily spying out the land, look at the "marketing" type materials on Plone.org. Movies. http://plone.org/about/movies Most of these movies are short. You could probably watch them in a window on one side of your monitor, and do something else on the other. I would initially skip the Better Web Dev. and the Recovery from Addiction unless you want to see how Plone compares to Java,... etc. Other videos from the 2006 Plone conference. http://plone.org/events/conferences/seattle-2006/presentations/session-vide… These are longer, but if you have a big enough monitor. You can still watch and get something done. :) The video by Eben Moglen was excellent and not specific to Plone. The video What If Our Systems Could do the Rest? - Bob Boiko was excellent for anybody doing CMS systems. Had nothing specific to Plone. And then there is the laundry list of features in Plone 3. http://plone.org/products/plone/features/3.0 That would give you some easy low lying fruit, just to see what people exploring the CMS marketplace see when looking at Plone. How does Pier compare when looking at these items? What are those things that are appropriate for Seaside/Pier and we would like to see in Pier? What in this list are the low lying fruit? Reasonably short time to implement. Lets start creating a target to shoot for. What would be good projects for Google SoC? What about those things that Esug sponsors? What about students in general? What can we do to enable and give direction to anybody who would like to participate in improving the out-of-box Pier experience. What defines Pier core? What do we want in a rich Pier distribution? So I think the place to start is to see how Pier compares. Then create a roadmap to get to where we want to be. Enable the community to step up to the plate and contribute. We can also pay attention to where we differ philosophically and where we can exploit that difference. ie: the web heresy type stuff. Just some thoughts. Thanks for your time and for your contribution to the Squeak community. It is appreciated. Jimmie Houchin