11 Dec
2003
11 Dec
'03
7:03 p.m.
Hi Maurice,
Btw, the Squeak version of SmallWiki doesn't seem
to store the wiki
pages in the same manner that you describe in your paper. The SIXX
storage seems to use a single XML doc, and the Image storage as a
standard (large) image and changeset. Which would you recommend?
in VisualWorks - the environment where SmallWiki had been developed - I
suggest to use the image-storage. It is much faster, the resulting
files are smaller and in my opinion it is also more secure. However I
don't know about the Squeak port, you have to ask the porters in the
mailing-list about their suggestions.
What I actually think, that it would be nice to have a reference-stream
or an image-slice storage in Squeak. I've used this mechanisms in some
of my web-development and it worked very well. I don't know if it
scales well, but it should be worth trying ...
Cheers,
Lukas
On Dec 10, 2003, at 22:12, Maurice Rabb wrote:
> Dear Lukas,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> I have started playing with your SmallWiki, and am looking forward to
> using it extensively. Thanks for the pointers to SSHing into my
> 1and1.com account. I have setup SSH and FTP access. I have read the
> the swiki pages on setting up a headless Squeak VM, and VNC but I must
> admit that I am in over my head. I am a Unix weenie. :-( I would
> like to have all of our stuff consolidated at 1and1 were we could have
> easy and fast access. Ideally I would just like to have someone
> install Squeak & SmallWiki for me.
>
> I would consider hosting it on on www.netstyle.ch but I don't speak
> German and I couldn't find the terms and rates. I am trying to save
> some money (1and1.com is free)
>
Btw, the Squeak version of SmallWiki doesn't seem
to store the wiki
pages in the same manner that you describe in your paper. The SIXX
storage seems to use a single XML doc, and the Image storage as a
standard (large) image and changeset. Which would you recommend?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Maurice
>
>
> On Saturday, Dec 6, 2003, at 05:47 America/Chicago, Lukas Renggli
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> When studying the features of 1and1.com I read that the owner gets
>> SSH access to the server, so it should be no big deal to install and
>> run either VisualWorks or Squeak there. We usually also run a VNC
>> server on our hosts to allow remote access easily.
>>
>> The company I am working for (netstyle.ch, www.netstyle.ch) is
>> offering Smalltalk hosting. The advantage for you would be that we
>> could provide you with a running configuration and if necessary
>> integrate it into your corporate design. Let us know, if you are
>> interested.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukas
>>
>
>
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http://renggli.freezope.org
11 Dec
11 Dec
7:33 p.m.
New subject: SmallWiki in Squeak
Lukas Renggli wrote:
Hi Maurice,
I would recommend the Image Storage too. It's much faster.
SIXX is an option if you want to set up a fresh image and keep
the old contents. It stores the whole document tree in one file
named root.xml.
Btw, the Squeak version of SmallWiki doesn't
seem to store the wiki
pages in the same manner that you describe in your paper. The SIXX
storage seems to use a single XML doc, and the Image storage as a
standard (large) image and changeset. Which would you recommend?
in VisualWorks - the environment where SmallWiki had been developed - I
suggest to use the image-storage. It is much faster, the resulting files
are smaller and in my opinion it is also more secure. However I don't
know about the Squeak port, you have to ask the porters in the
mailing-list about their suggestions. What I actually think, that it would be nice to have a
reference-stream
or an image-slice storage in Squeak. I've used this mechanisms in some
of my web-development and it worked very well. I don't know if it scales
well, but it should be worth trying ...
Image Slices could be a nice alternative. But what is a
reference-stream? Any pointers?
I would like to see a Magma Storage. Magma is an objectoriented
Database written in and for Squeak. It can also be accessed
'in-image', so you don't have to set up a second Image as Server.
And it would be possible that only differences will be stored.
SIXX and the Image Storage store the whole tree again even when
you change just one character somewhere. Maybe somebody has the
time to write it :)
Regards
Chris Burkert
--
http://www.chrisburkert.de/
16 Dec
16 Dec
10:19 a.m.
New subject: SmallWiki in Squeak
Hi!
ReferenceStream is a class within Squeak allows Objects to be stored. It holds circular
references.
It is stored as a binary format structured very closery to the image format. ImageSegment
uses it.
Lukas, why having used ReferenceStream and not SIXX? Does it makes a big difference when
loading back objects?
Cheers,
Alexandre
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 07:33:28PM +0100, Chris Burkert wrote:
Lukas Renggli wrote:
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Hi Maurice,
I would recommend the Image Storage too. It's much faster.
SIXX is an option if you want to set up a fresh image and keep
the old contents. It stores the whole document tree in one file
named root.xml.
Btw, the Squeak version of SmallWiki doesn't
seem to store the wiki
pages in the same manner that you describe in your paper. The SIXX
storage seems to use a single XML doc, and the Image storage as a
standard (large) image and changeset. Which would you recommend?
in VisualWorks - the environment where SmallWiki had been developed - I
suggest to use the image-storage. It is much faster, the resulting files
are smaller and in my opinion it is also more secure. However I don't
know about the Squeak port, you have to ask the porters in the
mailing-list about their suggestions. What I actually think, that it would be nice to
have a reference-stream
or an image-slice storage in Squeak. I've used this mechanisms in some
of my web-development and it worked very well. I don't know if it scales
well, but it should be worth trying ...
Image Slices could be a nice alternative. But what is a
reference-stream? Any pointers?
I would like to see a Magma Storage. Magma is an objectoriented
Database written in and for Squeak. It can also be accessed
'in-image', so you don't have to set up a second Image as Server.
And it would be possible that only differences will be stored.
SIXX and the Image Storage store the whole tree again even when
you change just one character somewhere. Maybe somebody has the
time to write it :)
Regards
Chris Burkert
--
http://www.chrisburkert.de/
1:49 p.m.
New subject: SmallWiki in Squeak
ReferenceStream is a class within Squeak allows
Objects to be stored.
It holds circular references. It is stored as a binary format
structured very closery to the image format. ImageSegment uses it.
Yes, I know as I am using this for saving objects in several Seaside
projects.
Lukas, why having used ReferenceStream and not SIXX?
Does it makes a
big difference when loading back objects?
SIXX is terribly slow and the files get huge, even when you store
almost nothing. Another problem I encountered, was the VisualWorks XML
parser that sometimes got into troubles while reading those big files.
I think SIXX is a good solution to export and import wikis, but not as
a standard and secure storage mechanism.
Cheers,
Lukas
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Lukas Renggli
http://renggli.freezope.org
23 Dec
23 Dec
10 a.m.
New subject: SmallWiki in Squeak
I think SIXX is a good solution to export and import
wikis, but not as
a standard and secure storage mechanism.
This is also my feeling. But I do not know why, I feel the same for relying on the
smalltalk image for storing the complete wiki...
Merry Christmas!!
Cheers,
Alexandre
Cheers,
Lukas
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http://renggli.freezope.org
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