17 Jan
2016
17 Jan
'16
6:02 p.m.
Hi,
With the latest development, Roassal2 seems to work well.
For example, the rendering of the logical view of Glamour browsers was broken, and now it
works well. This is great news.
Is this just my impression? Do we know if there are still open issues with the FFI in this
area?
Cheers,
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17 Jan
17 Jan
6:29 p.m.
On 17 Jan 2016, at 18:02, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
With the latest development, Roassal2 seems to work well.
For example, the rendering of the logical view of Glamour browsers was broken, and now it
works well. This is great news.
<Inspector on a GLMSystemWindow(771559424).png>
Is this just my impression? Do we know if there are still open issues with the FFI in
this area?
I’m glad some things has been covered, but as much as I would like to declare FFI work
finished, I’m still working on it and I will spend a lot more time on stabilising (for
example, I’m still having crashings in Johan’s work… crashes that are FFI related… some
problem when copying bits to world surface that I bet can affect roassal2 too)
But well… we are a lot better now than 2 weeks ago :)
Esteban
Cheers,
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Hi,
On Jan 17, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Esteban Lorenzano
<estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 17 Jan 2016, at 18:02, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
With the latest development, Roassal2 seems to work well.
For example, the rendering of the logical view of Glamour browsers was broken, and now it
works well. This is great news.
<Inspector on a GLMSystemWindow(771559424).png>
Is this just my impression? Do we know if there are still open issues with the FFI in
this area?
I’m glad some things has been covered, but as much as I would like to declare FFI work
finished, I’m still working on it and I will spend a lot more time on stabilising (for
example, I’m still having crashings in Johan’s work… crashes that are FFI related… some
problem when copying bits to world surface that I bet can affect roassal2 too) But well… we are a lot better now than 2 weeks ago :)
That is what I am saying :). Great work, indeed!
I sent this mail exactly to fish for less obvious problems as soon as possible because
they will help you (and everyone else) :)
Cheers,
Doru
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Is this just my impression? Do we know if there are still open issues
with the FFI in this area?
I’m glad some things has been covered, but as much as I would like to
declare FFI work finished, I’m still working on it and I will spend a
lot more time on stabilising (for example, I’m still having crashings
in Johan’s work… crashes that are FFI related… some problem when
copying bits to world surface that I bet can affect roassal2 too)
But well… we are a lot better now than 2 weeks ago :)
6:37 p.m.
Esteban
may be playing with OSWindow will find some bugs.
Did you check the SDL20 examples because they were failing?
Stef
Le 17/1/16 18:29, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
On 17 Jan 2016, at 18:02, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com
<mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote:
Hi,
With the latest development, Roassal2 seems to work well.
For example, the rendering of the logical view of Glamour browsers
was broken, and now it works well. This is great news.
<Inspector on a GLMSystemWindow(771559424).png>
Is this just my impression? Do we know if there are still open issues
with the FFI in this area?
I’m glad some things has been covered, but as much as I would like to
declare FFI work finished, I’m still working on it and I will spend a
lot more time on stabilising (for example, I’m still having crashings
in Johan’s work… crashes that are FFI related… some problem when
copying bits to world surface that I bet can affect roassal2 too)
But well… we are a lot better now than 2 weeks ago :)
Esteban
Cheers,
Doru
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On 17 Jan 2016, at 18:37, stepharo
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Esteban
may be playing with OSWindow will find some bugs.
Did you check the SDL20 examples because they were failing?
I still do not start SDL migration (it shouldn’t be difficult).
Probably this week, if I find the time :)
Esteban
Stef
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<mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote:
Hi,
With the latest development, Roassal2 seems to work well.
For example, the rendering of the logical view of Glamour browsers was broken, and now it
works well. This is great news.
<Inspector on a GLMSystemWindow(771559424).png>
Is this just my impression? Do we know if there are still open issues with the FFI in
this area?
I’m glad some things has been covered, but as much as I would like to declare FFI work
finished, I’m still working on it and I will spend a lot more time on stabilising (for
example, I’m still having crashings in Johan’s work… crashes that are FFI related… some
problem when copying bits to world surface that I bet can affect roassal2 too)
But well… we are a lot better now than 2 weeks ago :)
Esteban
Cheers,
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2:43 a.m.
Johan?
Does the image still crash?
Alexandre
On Jan 17, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
With the latest development, Roassal2 seems to work well.
For example, the rendering of the logical view of Glamour browsers was broken, and now it
works well. This is great news.
<Inspector on a GLMSystemWindow(771559424).png>
Is this just my impression? Do we know if there are still open issues with the FFI in
this area?
Cheers,
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If Esteban says there are problems, there are problems. (And he did say so.)
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Johan?
Does the image still crash?
Alexandre
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On Jan 17, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Tudor Girba
<tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
With the latest development, Roassal2 seems to work well.
For example, the rendering of the logical view of Glamour browsers was broken, and now it
works well. This is great news.
<Inspector on a GLMSystemWindow(771559424).png>
Is this just my impression? Do we know if there are still open issues with the FFI in
this area?
Cheers,
Doru
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The good news is that today esteban run the image of Johan without a
single crash.
He was (with me looking over this shoulder) fixing SDL and we could
write on an external window on click :).
And all this FFI intensive work without a single crash :).
Stef
Le 18/1/16 02:43, Alexandre Bergel a écrit :
Johan?
Does the image still crash?
Alexandre
> On Jan 17, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> With the latest development, Roassal2 seems to work well.
>
> For example, the rendering of the logical view of Glamour browsers was broken, and
now it works well. This is great news.
>
> <Inspector on a GLMSystemWindow(771559424).png>
>
> Is this just my impression? Do we know if there are still open issues with the FFI in
this area?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
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Excellent !!! What do I need to do to test it there ?
On Jan 18, 2016, at 15:35, stepharo
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The good news is that today esteban run the image of Johan without a single crash.
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8:31 p.m.
I think that you should grab the latest VM.
Le 18/1/16 19:41, Johan Fabry a écrit :
Excellent !!! What do I need to do to test it there ?
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yep… but since is like a “side effect fix” I wouldn’t be surprised if it is still there
(and I just did not managed to produce the crash :( )
anyway, good luck :)
Esteban
On 18 Jan 2016, at 20:31, stepharo
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I think that you should grab the latest VM.
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Excellent !!! What do I need to do to test it
there ?
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The good news is that today esteban run the image of Johan without a single crash.
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Sorry guys, crash within 30 seconds. :-( latest vm and the LRP build from 5 minutes ago.
vm: wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash
image:
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/LiveRobotProgramming/91/PHARO=50…
On Jan 18, 2016, at 16:47, Esteban Lorenzano
<estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
yep… but since is like a “side effect fix” I wouldn’t be surprised if it is still there
(and I just did not managed to produce the crash :( )
anyway, good luck :)
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On 18 Jan 2016, at 20:31, stepharo
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I think that you should grab the latest VM.
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The good news is that today esteban run the image of Johan without a single crash.
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On 18 Jan 2016, at 23:22, Johan Fabry
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Sorry guys, crash within 30 seconds. :-( latest vm and the LRP build from 5 minutes ago.
vm: wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash
that’s no latest vm
latest vm is 50+vmLatest
Esteban
image:
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/LiveRobotProgramming/91/PHARO=50…
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yep… but since is like a “side effect fix” I wouldn’t be surprised if it is still there
(and I just did not managed to produce the crash :( )
anyway, good luck :)
Esteban
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I think that you should grab the latest VM.
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Excellent !!! What do I need to do to test it
there ?
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 15:35, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
>
> The good news is that today esteban run the image of Johan without a single crash.
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On 19 Jan 2016, at 07:48, Esteban Lorenzano
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but yet… is reasonable if it crash… as I said, I still don’t know what is happening there
:)
Esteban
On 18 Jan 2016, at 23:22, Johan Fabry
<jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Sorry guys, crash within 30 seconds. :-( latest vm and the LRP build from 5 minutes ago.
vm: wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash
that’s no latest vm
latest vm is 50+vmLatest
Esteban
image:
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/LiveRobotProgramming/91/PHARO=50…
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On Jan 18, 2016, at 16:47, Esteban Lorenzano
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yep… but since is like a “side effect fix” I wouldn’t be surprised if it is still there
(and I just did not managed to produce the crash :( )
anyway, good luck :)
Esteban
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I think that you should grab the latest VM.
Le 18/1/16 19:41, Johan Fabry a écrit :
> Excellent !!! What do I need to do to test it there ?
>
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 15:35, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote:
>>
>> The good news is that today esteban run the image of Johan without a single
crash.
>
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On Jan 19, 2016, at 04:24, Esteban Lorenzano
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Thanks for pointing me to the right VM!
But indeed, it still crashes on a GrafPort>copyBits call when drawing a TRMorp. So if
you are using Roassal2, Pharo will crash on you at some point. :-(
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but yet… is reasonable if it crash… as I said, I still don’t know what is happening there
:) On 18 Jan 2016, at 23:22, Johan Fabry
<jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Sorry guys, crash within 30 seconds. :-( latest vm and the LRP build from 5 minutes ago.
vm: wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash
that’s no latest vm
latest vm is 50+vmLatest
1:06 p.m.
This is strange that we cannot reproduce because during one around our
robots were moving and nothing crashed :)
Le 19/1/16 12:54, Johan Fabry a écrit :
On Jan 19,
2016, at 04:24, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for pointing me to the right VM!
But indeed, it still crashes on a GrafPort>copyBits call when drawing a TRMorp. So if
you are using Roassal2, Pharo will crash on you at some point. :-(
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but yet… is reasonable if it crash… as I said, I still
don’t know what is happening there :) On 18 Jan 2016, at 23:22, Johan Fabry
<jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Sorry guys, crash within 30 seconds. :-( latest vm and the LRP build from 5 minutes ago.
vm: wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash
that’s no latest vm
latest vm is 50+vmLatest
1:24 p.m.
is weird.
load and run: crash.
load, save&quit, open and run: not crash
at least in my environment.
Esteban
On 19 Jan 2016, at 12:54, Johan Fabry
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On Jan 19, 2016, at 04:24, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for pointing me to the right VM!
But indeed, it still crashes on a GrafPort>copyBits call when drawing a TRMorp. So if
you are using Roassal2, Pharo will crash on you at some point. :-(
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<https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev> On 19 Jan 2016, at 07:48, Esteban Lorenzano
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but yet… is reasonable if it crash… as I said, I still don’t know what is happening there
:) On 18 Jan 2016, at 23:22, Johan Fabry
<jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Sorry guys, crash within 30 seconds. :-( latest vm and the LRP build from 5 minutes ago.
vm: wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash
that’s no latest vm
latest vm is 50+vmLatest 
1:51 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Can you provide a script that crashes it from a fresh Image (including
loading Roassal2) ? So I try to can report additional observations.
cheers -ben
On Jan 19, 2016, at 04:24, Esteban Lorenzano
<estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for pointing me to the right VM!
But indeed, it still crashes on a GrafPort>copyBits call when drawing a TRMorp. So if
you are using Roassal2, Pharo will crash on you at some point. :-(
On 19 Jan 2016, at 07:48, Esteban Lorenzano
<estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
but yet… is reasonable if it crash… as I said, I still don’t know what is happening there
:) On 18 Jan 2016, at 23:22, Johan Fabry
<jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Sorry guys, crash within 30 seconds. :-( latest vm and the LRP build from 5 minutes ago.
vm: wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash
that’s no latest vm
latest vm is 50+vmLatest 
20 Jan
20 Jan
3:30 p.m.
Can you provide a script that crashes it from a fresh Image (including
loading Roassal2) ? So I try to can report additional observations.
Sure that’s easy: install LRP from here http://pleiad.cl/LRP and run the first example
program on that page. Have a look at the page to see how to do that ;-)
To install you can get the pre-built image from
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/LiveRobotProgramming/
Or:
Gofer it
smalltalkhubUser: 'jfabry' project: 'LiveRobotProgramming';
configuration;
loadDevelopment
Run this code:
(machine esc
(state tick)
(state tock)
(ontime 500 tick -> tock)
(ontime 500 tock -> tick)
)
And wait.
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On Jan 19, 2016, at 10:23, Stephan Eggermont
<stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote:
On 19-01-16 13:24, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
Yes that seems the case here too, I have tick and tock moving around the screen for some
hours now without any issues. Stef, those are *states*, not robots. Your mail really
confused me, I thought you had robot hardware at RMOD !!
May be a garbage collect related issue, as saving triggers a GC, no ?
Stephan, why do you say this sounds familiar?
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is weird.
load and run: crash.
load, save&quit, open and run: not crash
at least in my environment.
Sounds familiar
22 Jan
22 Jan
4:31 p.m.
So I guess I was too happy too fast. The image that did not crash, in the end does crash
after some time. I used it to do some LRP development and it just died on me with the
usual segfault on GrafPort>copyBits :-(
So this still needs to be handled …
On Jan 20, 2016, at 13:50, Johan Fabry
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On Jan 19, 2016, at 10:23, Stephan Eggermont
<stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote:
On 19-01-16 13:24, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
Yes that seems the case here too, I have tick and tock moving around the screen for some
hours now without any issues. Stef, those are *states*, not robots. Your mail really
confused me, I thought you had robot hardware at RMOD !!
May be a garbage collect related issue, as saving triggers a GC, no ?
Stephan, why do you say this sounds familiar?
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is weird.
load and run: crash.
load, save&quit, open and run: not crash
at least in my environment.
Sounds familiar
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