Welcome
hi!
I'm totally new to smalltalk, although I've heard of it since
a lot of time ago.
have a look at Pharo by example, PharoCasts, register to the Pharo user mailing-list. People are nice.
In my arch linux installation, I've found some dificulties
running squeak, so I went into pharo once I've discovered they
are two free implementations of smalltalk.
Then I wondered myself, How can I do now to put moose into
here ? And then I saw that by selecting the proper text in one
of the default windows that pharo opens for me, I could have
moose (and other subsystems) installed in the image I'm workin
on. So I did.
I've found myself pretty impressed at the ease by which the
subsystems get installed. I started installing one of the web
development systems, and I got thru the whole automated process
without any problems.
Then I evaluated the code that installs moose. It started
running, and run a lot without a problem too. But at some point,
some missing methods poped up a window in which I'm asked what
to do.
report them to this list and we will fix them.
Now you should be precise. Because so far we cannot do anything.
At the firsts of them, I put 'proceed' (because I
wouldn't abandon, nor debug because I woudn't know what to do),
and it proceeded. At some later pop up errors, I was offered a
fourth option namely 'create', I did, and put the method I was
asked to put somewhere in systembase or some similar name (I can
be more precise if needed or asked to), then a code that showed
a 'to be implemented' dummy method or something, and then again,
asked to proceed, and and did this process a number of times,
until I realized that there were many of them, and I abadoned.
And went here, asking for some kind help of you.
Proceed can only work for a warning, when you get an error such as division by zero proceed will not magically fix it :).
I could insist with squeak if that would do better, or go
Cuis alternatively (but from what I've read, maybe Cuis would
not fit).
You do not have to do that. And do not expect Moose to run on them. Moose is a complex system.
I've also read that pharo support from moose is in some
development phase. Is that true?
No :)
Pharo 2.0 is out and it is solid and excellent. Now we have certainly some little glitches there and there and
they will be fixed when reported.
So if I'm a beginner I should
try it until it's ready.
I'm interested in moose mainly, and derived from this, in
smalltalk and in any of its free versions if they work.
They do. Have a look at
My personal experience is that software on my mac crash more than Pharo and in Pharo I know why (I tend to do
really crazy things with it).
Smalltalk is really the best gift that you can offer to yourself to have a look at a different way to program.
Now the first step can be perceived as something high. So go slowly, read pharo by example, ask questions
to the mailing-list here or pharo-users, watch the pharo casts.
If you do that deeply in 3 months from that you will see the world differently :).
At least this is what a C# hacker from ukraina told me :).
Stef
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