Ok, but then it follows that any visualization that is now handled in a self-contained script should be a builder as well.This can well be, but this definition will probably lead us in a slightly different direction than where we are now. That is because we would need to make it very cheap to create a builder out of a script. Would anyone want to explore this?Doru_______________________________________________On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
I think that Blueprint has a good reason to be a builder :), and if you want to make your thing reusable it’s reasonable to make a builder for it.(thou maybe I’m not very familiar with Roassal philosophy)UkoOn 01 Sep 2014, at 11:23, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:I think we are not talking about the same thing. You seem to say that every visualization script should be a builder. I think this is not particularly useful. Or did I get something wrong?Doru_______________________________________________On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
I think that we should stick to builders.Because you anyway have some questions open like should script create view or populate existing one and so on. If we create a builder, then potential users will work with familiar interface + will be able to combine your work with other visualisations and so on. I was really frustrated with Roassal 1 because everyone was creating his own thing, and then one builder returned a view, another one - view stack, and some of them required you to provide a view.UkoOn 01 Sep 2014, at 06:51, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:Hi,Exactly. A builder offers an API with which for the same input you can produce multiple outputs. If you can only produce one output then you probably have a script in your hand.On the other hand, if you do not place the script in the class of the input object, then you probably want to have a separate class for the visualization. In that case, it might still make sense to have this class be a subclass of builder. What do you think?Doru_______________________________________________On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
If it is not a builder, then it is a simple script.
My stake on this is that you never know whether you want to customize a view or not.
Having a builder is also a way to compose with other visualization.
Alexandre
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On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
> I do not see why you would create a builder for this. I think a builder is only useful when you want to customize something. Or would you like to customize something in the blueprint?
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> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
> It would be great to have the class blueprint available for plain Pharo class. This should not be complicated. Creating a builder is indeed the way to do it.
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> > Le 28-08-2014 à 4:49, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> a écrit :
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> > Hi,
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> > is blueprint diagram only available in moose panel? Because I want to use it outside of Moose, so I wander if there is some Roassal builder for that.
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