Milton is working on Sunburst, a sophisticated and compact visualization to visualize hierarchies. He will demonstrate this at ESUG probably.
Milton are Mathieu are not in competition, in no way.

Roassal has a dedicated canvas that talks to Athens. We incrementally incorporate Mathieu's work in the mainstream of Roassal.

> - do you see athens as just another canvas (in addition to morphic) where things are drawn? If that's the case, then to me it means that these optimizations would not be available in the
> Morphic part.

Well. Can we do more than just have an Athens canvas? Athens does not handle event as far as I know.

Ok this is a key thing for us to know because I thought one of the important part of Mat's work was to integrate use Athens computation in Roassal.

I do not get it.
There is no magic in scaling (of course you have the algorithms) but after I remember the discussion with igor about matrixes. So if we do not use what athens 
provides then roassal will get slower.