Hi Uko!

I had the very same feeling at the beginning. How to move back to the old debugger and inspector was my first reaction. Now, that I use the debugger and the inspector, I cannot live without them.

The inspector is really a major improvement in my opinion. The debugger could be significantly improved, yes. But I find the icons quite intuitive now.

Andrei, where are the colors in the stack frame list? That would be so cool to have them...

Cheers,

Alexandre

Le 28-03-2014 à 11:04, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> a écrit :

I’m not used to a gt debugger. Debugging buttons have icons that are not easily understandable, they are located fa from another things that i access. Also I like the idea that you don’t have to spawn a new inspector when drilling down, but I like to have a small workspace to test out something and close rather than big window of gt-playground.

The thing is that I was using Moose itself about a year ago. After that I was working only in Pharo. Now when I needed to do something in Moose fast, I found myself in the middle of dark technology :). I really don’t think that my issue is something serious, but it’s a religious point of view, that if user wants to use Moose he shouldn’t be forced to become a beta-tester of gt-toolkit and so on.

Uko 

On 28 Mar 2014, at 14:45, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:

Hi Yuriy,

Please let's get concrete because only like that we can improve and learn from each other. Up to now, you listed:

- Autocompletion being turned off - I agree that this should be on, but as it is now it is a bit buggy - I did not yet raise my voice loudly because I did not have a chance of looking into it in more details.

- White theme

What other things don't you like and why?

Doru

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:

It works. Just that I prefer it the other way around. I get suggestions disabled I can enable them, but it takes some time. I get a white theme, I can switch to original one, but it takes time. And so on. Also when I try to introduce someone who knows Pharo to Moose I have also to introduce him to whole new tools.

I'm not insisting on keeping it there, this is just a thing that saves time because Moose is loaded by CI

Uko

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On 28 Mar 2014, at 13:38, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:

Apparently, it contains the code without having the Moose image setup being triggered.

@Yuriy: Could you let us know what exactly does not work for you?

Cheers,

Doru

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:

What Moose-less contains then?

Alexandre

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:

> Hi guys.
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> I’ve created a “Moose-less” version https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-5.0/1006/artifact/moose-5.0-less.zip because some people (including me of course) don’t want to have all IDE revamped to use the features of Moose. It’s created during a main Mosse build as it’s already there anyway. But if you don’t like it, I can move it to somewhere else.
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