Hi Guillaume,Thanks.The contrast of the gray was reported before and I thought that we solved it by making the gray a bit darker. Finding this problem depends on the screen, and given that you have a less performant screen, could you please do the following experiment?Experiment: pick from the following picture the lightest gray that you see and then send back the number of the model (you can easily do this in GTInspector)view := ROMondrianViewBuilder new.view shape rectanglewithoutBorder; width: 400; height: 1; fillColor: [ :each | Color gray: each ].view nodes: (1 to: 0 by: -0.01).view verticalLineLayout gapSize: 10.viewDoru_______________________________________________On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Guillaume Larcheveque <guillaume.larcheveque@gmail.com> wrote:
The main problem was the border of each window. For someone who is not aware of every tool, they sometime missed the bottom of a window and they try to click on another one but were still on the previous one (this is just one problem that I remember).Because my goal was not to experiment the theme, I quickly moved users to the other glamourus theme.The problem is even bigger when you have a screen of bad quality like my acer laptop where I cannot see the border at all if I'm not right in the axis of my screen.2014-04-06 8:33 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com>:
It's not quite so. It's just that we are not used to it. But, we can get used to with practice. Let's just start and in a year from now we will be better :).One way to do it is to talk about principles. For example, one principle I want in a basic theme is to use the least amount of graphical variables it can so that other interfaces that are built on top of it have the freedom to utilize the rest of the variables. Of course, the interface should still satisfy basic usability requirements like finding a piece of information.Another way to do it is to talk about actual cases that people have difficulties with and look at what can be improved there. So, what kind of information could not be found? What specific actions could not be carried out?DoruOn Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
This is amazing to see how user interfaces are so subjective and hard to formalize. At first, I was not happy with the white theme at all. But now, I find it nicer than the default theme. Unfortunately, I cannot say what i exactly like in the white theme.AlexandreI confirm that I'm always changing the theme. The main reason is that there is no contrast at all.For the usability experiments with people, I had a teaches on Moose with other INRIA engineers (who doesn't use pharo) and the first comment was that the look is not friendly at all and they had difficulties with it.2014-04-04 22:13 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com>:Thanks for the input.If you say it like that there are little chances of changing anything. The only way we can improve is to know why something does not work. Only when we know the reasons can we start to react properly. So, please do let us know what does not work.
Just because it is about the way something looks does not mean that we cannot have a structure discussion about it.Please note that I am not saying that the white theme is the ultimate design. It is not. But, to find other means of expressions we have to leave the classic one and build simple things in simple ways. The white theme has a small amount of visual variables which goes hand in hand with the philosophy of Pharo. This is something to nurture, not to push away. If something does not work for a reason then we look at it. For example, when the scrolling did not work, we changed the color. I want to spend the energy in doing that, but I need your input.Just for the record, I am doing similar usability experiments with people that do not know Pharo upfront, and they seem to have no problem finding their way. So, it is not quite as random as it might appear.Doru--On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
For the record, I am not so happy with the white theme either.
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