On 24 Oct 2011, at 22:47, Ciprian Teodorov wrote:
> Hi Doru,
>
> Thank you for your answer... It's too bad we don't have these figures... What do you say about creating a list of projects that could be used to create such a baseline. I don't really have a precise idea about the number of projects that we might need to compute this thing ... but I think starting such a list might be a good idea. And then based on that we can eventually try to get the results.
>
> In the Book: Object-oriented Metrics in Practice the authors used 45 java and 37 c++ systems to get these numbers ... so I think we have to find at least 30 projects maybe.
>
> I am not promising anything but maybe I will find some time over the next few weeks that I can dedicate to doing this.
>
> What do you guys say?
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Tudor Girba <
tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We do not have those thresholds for Smalltalk, yet. It would be interesting to get them, though. We only need someone to do it :)
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
> On 24 Oct 2011, at 22:03, Ciprian Teodorov wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your prompt answer.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel <
alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
> > No idea about the threshold. I find system complexity and class blueprint quite useful to get a first impression of a system. I then usually visualize the dependencies.
> > If I really want to understand the system, then writing unit tests will do the thing.
> >
> > I completely agree with you on these points...
> > but from my point of view I think that the overviewpyramid can be a very good visualisation
> > to quickly present your system's complexity to others... especially during a presentation...
> > and then you can freely dive into more detailed aspect with the system complexity and
> > class blueprint - to show specific points. However, without a statistically significant smalltalk baseline (the threshold)
> > the pyramid doesn't convey much information especially to an external viewer...
> >
> > so my point is, since we have the java and c++ cases, why not get some smalltalk (or maybe pharo-specific)
> > numbers also - especially since Moose is implemented in smalltalk.
> >
> > regards,
> > ciprian
> >
> > Alexandre
> >
> >
> > On 24 Oct 2011, at 16:06, Ciprian Teodorov wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm new to using moose for analyzing a rather large smalltalk project developed during the last 16-17 years.
> > > I hope that using Moose framework will give positive insights on the hot-spots of the system in order to improve its structure, and make it more maintainable.
> > > The project name is Madeo (
http://stiff.univ-brest.fr/BINIOU/MADEO) a FPGA design-automation toolkit developed mainly by one of my PhD supervisors (Loic Lagadec).
> > >
> > > To start the evaluation I believe that the overview pyramid is a very good starting point in order to get a generic idea about the system.
> > > However, I was not able to find any smalltalk threshold values in the moose image.
> > >
> > > So my question is if there is somebody having some idea about the
> > > smalltalk threshold values for the OverviewPyramid.
> > >
> > > If yes, could you provide me these figures, and eventually point me to a scientific paper presenting these results.
> > > If not, I'm willing to try to get these figures myself... however I don't really know which smalltalk projects I could use to get good results.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for your attention.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
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